Comments on: Forget the propaganda war, what about the real one? http://securityfiles.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/05/forget-the-propaganda-war-what-about-the-real-one/ Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:31:02 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Shah http://securityfiles.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/05/forget-the-propaganda-war-what-about-the-real-one/#comment-244 Shah Thu, 09 Oct 2008 11:26:26 +0000 http://cnnisecurityfiles.wordpress.com/?p=41#comment-244 Chris, just to put the facts right. Islam allows chopping of hands for theft, and that too only if certain conditions are fulfilled. Surprisingly (for most Christians), Christianity also allows the same but for a different reason. (Deuteronomy Ch. 25 verse 11/12 )When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets 12 Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her. Anyone who understands English, the meaning is plain and simple. The wife is trying to set free the husband of the hands of the person who has grappled with her husband. But the Bible’s verdict is that her hands must be chopped off without showing any mercy to her. Now you tell me which one is more ecceptable. Chopping off hands for stealing or for saving someone’s life. The choice is yours. Chris, just to put the facts right. Islam allows chopping of hands for theft, and that too only if certain conditions are fulfilled. Surprisingly (for most Christians), Christianity also allows the same but for a different reason.

(Deuteronomy Ch. 25 verse 11/12 )When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets 12 Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.

Anyone who understands English, the meaning is plain and simple. The wife is trying to set free the husband of the hands of the person who has grappled with her husband. But the Bible’s verdict is that her hands must be chopped off without showing any mercy to her. Now you tell me which one is more ecceptable. Chopping off hands for stealing or for saving someone’s life. The choice is yours.

]]> By: Chris http://securityfiles.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/05/forget-the-propaganda-war-what-about-the-real-one/#comment-125 Chris Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:06:26 +0000 http://cnnisecurityfiles.wordpress.com/?p=41#comment-125 Mike- Since when was Islam a religion of peace. You may have got your facts distorted. Islam was never a religion of peace. Only after 9/11 did you get muslims in America speaking out against the terrorist attacks and saying 'Islam is a religion of peace' and so on. If you were outside the US, and I do not even live in a muslim country, most muslims were laughing and cheering when the WTC towers fell down. You must understand, American muslims are relatively peaceful because they have no choice other than to be peaceful. As soon as Islam becomes dominant in a region they resort to force. Tell me Mike, does chopping of a person's arm, or stoning women constitute peace. Or what about be-heading. Surely, all peaceful civilized societies enjoy be-heading people in the name of peace. Mike- Since when was Islam a religion of peace. You may have got your facts distorted. Islam was never a religion of peace. Only after 9/11 did you get muslims in America speaking out against the terrorist attacks and saying 'Islam is a religion of peace' and so on.

If you were outside the US, and I do not even live in a muslim country, most muslims were laughing and cheering when the WTC towers fell down. You must understand, American muslims are relatively peaceful because they have no choice other than to be peaceful. As soon as Islam becomes dominant in a region they resort to force.

Tell me Mike, does chopping of a person's arm, or stoning women constitute peace. Or what about be-heading. Surely, all peaceful civilized societies enjoy be-heading people in the name of peace.

]]> By: Chris http://securityfiles.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/05/forget-the-propaganda-war-what-about-the-real-one/#comment-124 Chris Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:01:13 +0000 http://cnnisecurityfiles.wordpress.com/?p=41#comment-124 By the way, pakistans leaders were not supposed to be at the Marriot at the time of the bomb. This was confirmed by a pakistani senator, prime minister’s residence and even the hotel owner of Marriot, one of the richest men in pakistan (behind the president of course). So, I really dont know where CNN is getting its information from as it is surely distorted. My first impression of this was that the pakistani establishment was trying to over-dramatize the issue, particularly after most news channels switched to other programs very soon after the blast, even though it was supposed to pakistans 9/11(LOL-seriously, they compared the Marriot attack to 9/11) . Talk about over-dramatization. On a another note, I completely diasgree with the ambassdor to London, who is essentially blaming America for his country’s terrorist problems. Pakistan has been responsible for fostering terrorism and hate in the region ever since its inception as a free country. The open and brazen support to the taliban, who were used to give pakistan strategic depth (in terror assets) must be remembered. We should not ignore the fact that pakistan has been responsible for most of the terrorist strikes within Afghanistan and India. We must not forget Democratic Secular India, who has been a victim(and still is) of pakistani terrorism and cross-border terrorism. The most recent bomb blasts in Delhi were found to be financed and supported by a pakistani based terror outfit, called the Let (Lashkar-e-toiba). I urge peopl not to take the Pakistan’s ambassodor’s views as the gospel truth. America is not responsible for terrorism in pakistan, pakistani people are. Pakistan needs terrorism to survive, its very existence as a nation is dependant on terrorism. If America leaves the war on terror now, pakistan’s nukes will fall into the hands of some frustrated terror module. By the way, pakistans leaders were not supposed to be at the Marriot at the time of the bomb. This was confirmed by a pakistani senator, prime minister’s residence and even the hotel owner of Marriot, one of the richest men in pakistan (behind the president of course). So, I really dont know where CNN is getting its information from as it is surely distorted. My first impression of this was that the pakistani establishment was trying to over-dramatize the issue, particularly after most news channels switched to other programs very soon after the blast, even though it was supposed to pakistans 9/11(LOL-seriously, they compared the Marriot attack to 9/11) . Talk about over-dramatization.

On a another note, I completely diasgree with the ambassdor to London, who is essentially blaming America for his country’s terrorist problems. Pakistan has been responsible for fostering terrorism and hate in the region ever since its inception as a free country. The open and brazen support to the taliban, who were used to give pakistan strategic depth (in terror assets) must be remembered. We should not ignore the fact that pakistan has been responsible for most of the terrorist strikes within Afghanistan and India. We must not forget Democratic Secular India, who has been a victim(and still is) of pakistani terrorism and cross-border terrorism. The most recent bomb blasts in Delhi were found to be financed and supported by a pakistani based terror outfit, called the Let (Lashkar-e-toiba).

I urge peopl not to take the Pakistan’s ambassodor’s views as the gospel truth. America is not responsible for terrorism in pakistan, pakistani people are. Pakistan needs terrorism to survive, its very existence as a nation is dependant on terrorism. If America leaves the war on terror now, pakistan’s nukes will fall into the hands of some frustrated terror module.

]]> By: mike http://securityfiles.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/05/forget-the-propaganda-war-what-about-the-real-one/#comment-89 mike Wed, 17 Sep 2008 00:41:24 +0000 http://cnnisecurityfiles.wordpress.com/?p=41#comment-89 Why taliban are winning? Because the people of Afghanistan are Taliban.What does the word Taliban mean? It means students...Students of Islam.Who are they? Avearage people? From uneployed, barbers, teachers, really poor the worst part is the more you fight it the more it becomes stronger...because you are fight becomes their physical proof to continue...islam is made for peace...you fight it it becomes still for peace, but now with a reason to fight back to preserve itself, peace.Islam as a religion aknowledges the reality of the world peace is beautiful but worth fighting for to death....now you all know the meaning of jihad in the islamic world, it means fighting for your belief to the death....now Afghanistan people are gonna use all means of war to drive us away from their land....we spend billions of our money to serve people we do not care about, we are not to built their country, to strengthen their economy....we are not to make them special...because our policy is to use them and teach them a lesson ...be aware of this: you send a soldier to kill, a soldier's job is to kill, the army job is to kill...if you want to build a country you do not send soldiers you send builders...we have soldiers in afghanistan to kill taliban and anybody on the way.... so now we established that the policies you make and the objectives you target in every country are the results you are to see in the social, economy, cultural, polical grounds.Then my question will be, what have we accomplished in afghanistan? besides chasing Taliban... Why taliban are winning?
Because the people of Afghanistan are Taliban.What does the word Taliban mean? It means students...Students of Islam.Who are they?
Avearage people? From uneployed, barbers, teachers, really poor the worst part is the more you fight it the more it becomes stronger...because you are fight becomes their physical proof to continue...islam is made for peace...you fight it it becomes still for peace, but now with a reason to fight back to preserve itself, peace.Islam as a religion aknowledges the reality of the world peace is beautiful but worth fighting for to death....now you all know the meaning of jihad in the islamic world, it means fighting for your belief to the death....now Afghanistan people are gonna use all means of war to drive us away from their land....we spend billions of our money to serve people we do not care about, we are not to built their country, to strengthen their economy....we are not to make them special...because our policy is to use them and teach them a lesson
...be aware of this: you send a soldier to kill, a soldier's job is to kill, the army job is to kill...if you want to build a country you do not send soldiers you send builders...we have soldiers in afghanistan to kill taliban and anybody on the way.... so now we established that the policies you make and the objectives you target in every country are the results you are to see in the social, economy, cultural, polical grounds.Then my question will be, what have we accomplished in afghanistan? besides chasing Taliban...

]]> By: mike http://securityfiles.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/05/forget-the-propaganda-war-what-about-the-real-one/#comment-88 mike Wed, 17 Sep 2008 00:40:38 +0000 http://cnnisecurityfiles.wordpress.com/?p=41#comment-88 Why taliban are winning? Because the people of Afghanistan are Taliban.What does the word Taliban mean? It means students...Students of Islam.Who are they? Avearage people? From uneployed, barbers, teachers, really poor people that has no future whatsoever if conpared to American Standards.Why are we fighting these people? We are fighting their belief...What is their belief? Islam. What is unite them Islam What is making them wake up in the morning and fight Islam. What makes them strong to blow up themselves and others for the cause Islam...What makes them love each other and join each other all over the world Islam...Therefore who are we fighting Islam. When a nation fights a belief they are doomed to lose, to lose every form of war...and the worst part is the more you fight it the more it becomes stronger...because you are fight becomes their physical proof to continue...islam is made for peace...you fight it it becomes still for peace, but now with a reason to fight back to preserve itself, peace.Islam as a religion aknowledges the reality of the world peace is beautiful but worth fighting for to death....now you all know the meaning of jihad in the islamic world, it means fighting for your belief to the death....now Afghanistan people are gonna use all means of war to drive us away from their land....we spend billions of our money to serve people we do not care about, we are not to built their country, to strengthen their economy....we are not to make them special...because our policy is to use them and teach them a lesson ...be aware of this: you send a soldier to kill, a soldier's job is to kill, the army job is to kill...if you want to build a country you do not send soldiers you send builders...we have soldiers in afghanistan to kill taliban and anybody on the way.... so now we established that the policies you make and the objectives you target in every country are the results you are to see in the social, economy, cultural, polical grounds.Then my question will be, what have we accomplished in afghanistan? besides chasing Taliban... Why taliban are winning?
Because the people of Afghanistan are Taliban.What does the word Taliban mean? It means students...Students of Islam.Who are they?
Avearage people? From uneployed, barbers, teachers, really poor people that has no future whatsoever if conpared to American Standards.Why are we fighting these people? We are fighting their belief...What is their belief? Islam. What is unite them Islam What is making them wake up in the morning and fight Islam. What makes them strong to blow up themselves and others for the cause Islam...What makes them love each other and join each other all over the world Islam...Therefore who are we fighting Islam. When a nation fights a belief they are doomed to lose, to lose every form of war...and the worst part is the more you fight it the more it becomes stronger...because you are fight becomes their physical proof to continue...islam is made for peace...you fight it it becomes still for peace, but now with a reason to fight back to preserve itself, peace.Islam as a religion aknowledges the reality of the world peace is beautiful but worth fighting for to death....now you all know the meaning of jihad in the islamic world, it means fighting for your belief to the death....now Afghanistan people are gonna use all means of war to drive us away from their land....we spend billions of our money to serve people we do not care about, we are not to built their country, to strengthen their economy....we are not to make them special...because our policy is to use them and teach them a lesson
...be aware of this: you send a soldier to kill, a soldier's job is to kill, the army job is to kill...if you want to build a country you do not send soldiers you send builders...we have soldiers in afghanistan to kill taliban and anybody on the way.... so now we established that the policies you make and the objectives you target in every country are the results you are to see in the social, economy, cultural, polical grounds.Then my question will be, what have we accomplished in afghanistan? besides chasing Taliban...

]]> By: Food shortage http://securityfiles.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/05/forget-the-propaganda-war-what-about-the-real-one/#comment-22 Food shortage Mon, 08 Sep 2008 22:53:51 +0000 http://cnnisecurityfiles.wordpress.com/?p=41#comment-22 Robert Marshall, if you know less then you are not sure. If you are not sure then you have to do what I do you to. So I would let you no less to nothing. Here, we even don't want to know. It is what the media says. Robert Marshall, if you know less then you are not sure. If you are not sure then you have to do what I do you to. So I would let you no less to nothing. Here, we even don't want to know. It is what the media says.

]]> By: mysterion http://securityfiles.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/05/forget-the-propaganda-war-what-about-the-real-one/#comment-21 mysterion Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:20:54 +0000 http://cnnisecurityfiles.wordpress.com/?p=41#comment-21 And than about Afghanistan,Iran , shoots some loose bullets for the Palestinans ,North- Korea,Russia.What is "Georgia". Bush trying to Accomplish in godspeed?Total war? Under cover of the elections.Whatch this bloke,I'd say,he's a daredevil. And than about Afghanistan,Iran , shoots some loose bullets for the Palestinans ,North- Korea,Russia.What is "Georgia". Bush trying to Accomplish in godspeed?Total war? Under cover of the elections.Whatch this bloke,I'd say,he's a daredevil.

]]> By: mysterion http://securityfiles.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/05/forget-the-propaganda-war-what-about-the-real-one/#comment-20 mysterion Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:45:49 +0000 http://cnnisecurityfiles.wordpress.com/?p=41#comment-20 I'd like to say something reasonable about this War on terror -thing.I say it's just another hoax.'Cause how many real terrorist are caught now ,besides guantanamo-bay(*),besides leader this ,leader that. How can a hand full of leaders be a serious thead to te U.S.,the most equipped country in the world.It has not only the most techical advanced Army,But also citizens are pretty well heavily armed.It has a secret service that claims to be 400 years ahead of the public ,in terms of technology.A than boom .A most peculiar coincedence on 09-11-01.After two years ,a bearded character claims to be guilty,on a amateur video ,you could hardly recognize the guy,and nobody could comfirm when where and how it was made.I think this is a little too obvious.And what about those poor suckers in Guantanamo ! the were kidnapped ,transported to countries that didn't sign the Universal Declaration of Human Rights,to interrogate and probably torture them,took them from their families for many years now.And although there is suspection ,there is untill now not any proof of their guilt.These are all violations of human rights which is signed by the U.S!So when you would be the member of the family that had experienced this sudden disappearence,with no sign of live after,just stay cool and keep quit?Most of them are coming from the poorest countries in the world,how can they possibly be a thread to the U.S? eventually the U.S is not getting away with this, in 8 years time ,they have violated 28 of 30 articles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Go look for yourself! This is not an accusation to the American people, It's more like you should give this Information to the American people ,to consider what to do with this situation, because it could be a block in the road to economic recovery.I beg you those who are not guilty according to human rights ,let them go back to their families.You are humans too,it are also your rights.when you don't restore this than you take away your rights!Every citizen i mean! I'd like to say something reasonable about this War on terror -thing.I say it's just another hoax.'Cause how many real terrorist are caught now ,besides guantanamo-bay(*),besides leader this ,leader that. How can a hand full of leaders be a serious thead to te U.S.,the most equipped country in the world.It has not only the most techical advanced Army,But also citizens are pretty well heavily armed.It has a secret service that claims to be 400 years ahead of the public ,in terms of technology.A than boom .A most peculiar coincedence on 09-11-01.After two years ,a bearded character claims to be guilty,on a amateur video ,you could hardly recognize the guy,and nobody could comfirm when where and how it was made.I think this is a little too obvious.And what about those poor suckers in Guantanamo ! the were kidnapped ,transported to countries that didn't sign the Universal Declaration of Human Rights,to interrogate and probably torture them,took them from their families for many years now.And although there is suspection ,there is untill now not any proof of their guilt.These are all violations of human rights which is signed by the U.S!So when you would be the member of the family that had experienced this sudden disappearence,with no sign of live after,just stay cool and keep quit?Most of them are coming from the poorest countries in the world,how can they possibly be a thread to the U.S? eventually the U.S is not getting away with this, in 8 years time ,they have violated 28 of 30 articles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Go look for yourself! This is not an accusation to the American people, It's more like you should give this Information to the American people ,to consider what to do with this situation, because it could be a block in the road to economic recovery.I beg you those who are not guilty according to human rights ,let them go back to their families.You are humans too,it are also your rights.when you don't restore this than you take away your rights!Every citizen i mean!

]]> By: robert marshall http://securityfiles.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/05/forget-the-propaganda-war-what-about-the-real-one/#comment-18 robert marshall Sun, 07 Sep 2008 13:58:46 +0000 http://cnnisecurityfiles.wordpress.com/?p=41#comment-18 Why do you give so little or no coverage to events that could have serious long term consequences for not only the U. S. but the world as a whole ? Case in point ; 1. Rice says congress should approve nuclear deal with India. What deal ? 2. Rice says time not right for nuclear talks with Russia. What's going on ? 3. Why is the Bush administration breaking guided missile treaties and provoking Russia by proposing placing missiles in eastern Europe ? The Bush administrations handling of foreign policy has been a total disaster, which has created the conditions for another cold war era !! Why do you give so little or no coverage to events that could have serious long term consequences for not only the U. S. but the world as a whole ? Case in point ;

1. Rice says congress should approve nuclear deal with India. What deal ?
2. Rice says time not right for nuclear talks with Russia. What's going on ?
3. Why is the Bush administration breaking guided missile treaties and provoking Russia by proposing placing missiles in eastern Europe ? The Bush administrations handling of foreign policy has been a total disaster, which has created the conditions for another cold war era !!

]]> By: Katherine http://securityfiles.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/05/forget-the-propaganda-war-what-about-the-real-one/#comment-17 Katherine Sun, 07 Sep 2008 12:31:08 +0000 http://cnnisecurityfiles.wordpress.com/?p=41#comment-17 Hi everyone. Moxa, I agree with your statements. Any government, including our own government, cannot go around killing others for the their own glory. It is not the way real Christian-living is promoted around the world. Love God and love one another; yet the Bush Administration continues to put themselves above God. How ridiculous and hypocritical, I agree. When will this current administration learn the real teachings of the Heavenly Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit? Jesus wouldn't agree with what this current administration is doing, never, ever. War is not the answer and it will never, ever lead to Peace. Peace comes with stop going to war, permanently. This way the terrorists and Taliban will not have any more fights to pick! Remember the great leaders of our times who fought without violence? Gandhi and Dali Lama are perfect examples of leaders who lead by Peaceful tactics. That takes guts and I consider those leaders the real leaders of historic significance. Hi everyone. Moxa, I agree with your statements. Any government, including our own government, cannot go around killing others for the their own glory. It is not the way real Christian-living is promoted around the world. Love God and love one another; yet the Bush Administration continues to put themselves above God. How ridiculous and hypocritical, I agree. When will this current administration learn the real teachings of the Heavenly Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit? Jesus wouldn't agree with what this current administration is doing, never, ever. War is not the answer and it will never, ever lead to Peace. Peace comes with stop going to war, permanently. This way the terrorists and Taliban will not have any more fights to pick! Remember the great leaders of our times who fought without violence? Gandhi and Dali Lama are perfect examples of leaders who lead by Peaceful tactics. That takes guts and I consider those leaders the real leaders of historic significance.

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