1] Let's first consider the phrase "the nearly bulletproof veneer of freedom of speech". (l. 2)
a) If "veneer" is meant in its real sense of being a thin protecting layer the phrase is irony saying that the freedom of speech is much too weak to protect democratic ideals.
b) If "veneer" is meant synonymous with 'armour' the phrase reviles the freedom of speech as a camouflage for vile intentions.

2] There are so many different ways of looking at Islam. Just take this point of view: A large majority of Muslims call everyone who does not believe in Islam as a heathen or 'unbeliever'. – Compare this to the democratic value of tolerance ... and make up your mind.

I live in the Netherlands and this guy is a joke. You are absolutely right that the best strategy with this attention-seeker is to ignore him. He's getting exactly what he wants right now. So that the rest of the world knows, most Netherlands find him an embarassment. Me included.

People he's not only after the "Islamic" religion. His main mission is to entice hatred on all non-dutch people in the Netherlands. Even the people of Curacao which is part of the Dutch kingdom he's trying to throw them out of the country. He was looking for attention and now he got a world wide stage to do his ranting.

Wilders is a man with strong views. These views being on such a controversial subject, the british government has outrageously banned his entry into the UK. Not many will agree with these extremeist views, as not many agree with any extremeist views, but it would undoubtably be better to let him put his views before the public, let others do the same, and see the result.

Instead, with the ban, Wilders has gained such a political viewpoint that he is now in more of a position of power than he would be in otherwise. It would have caused debate to have him present his short 15 minute film, but not the media flurry stemming from this debacle.

The British government should have let him have his say, let him debate, and let him leave under less innoculous circumstances.

Apparently the UK wlecomes rather prisoners form Guantanamo Bay than a democraticly chosen member of the Dutch pariament, who according to all pols represents at the moment over 12% of the population of The Netherlands.

We must appreciate the stance of UK in this matter. They have sent a clear message showing their moral values, which is better for the humanity.

Movie "da vinci code" was banned in countries like India and Middleeast because of its ability to instigate religious intolerance.

This is a good sign for the people of the world to believe and practice what convinces them. If one has a problem with that, he should keep it at his house or bring an intellectual argument, not a blatant accusation on an entire population.

In the Netherlands Wilders is a Hero with a big fanclub. Everywhere hanging posters and pictures from him outside and side houses.
No other minister is here populair like Wilders is. Many people +/- 87% will voting for him for the next new government.

Greetings from Karel Stampsel, Urk

@ van de Laar & JRIB

Not all the dutch find him an embarasment.
He doesn't want to throw people from the dutch antilles from the country. He calls the local government overthere in Curacao criminals. He is right also because A lot of money that the Dutch government gave to the Antilles disappeared in their pockets.

OT:
IF they think his ideas are not right they should let him in and let him speak so they can show to the whole UK he is not right about what he says.
The movie Fitna is of poor quality. It's made of all kinds of clips that are easy to find at sites like youtube. If Muslims have a problem with Fitna they also should have a problem with youtube, liveleak, etc.

Although I do not agree with his position, I will defend to the death his right to free expression. Sticks and stones may break our bones, but words can never harm us.

Though G.J. Wilders' 'Fitna' does cause emotional debate, it does not incite violence...and therefore violates no freedom of speech. It's 'attack' against some fundamentalist Islamic actions is no more and no less provocative than was Theo van Gogh's and Ayaan Hirsi Ali's film graphically depicting fundamentalist violence against women...for which Theo was murdered by radical Islamists and Ayaan (and Wilders') lives placed under substantial threat from extremists.

The U.K. is now practicing unmitigated censorship...why? They are afraid of the potential (violent) terrorist repercussions from Muslim fundamentalists–which, ironically, is Wilders' point of contention.

Further, the Dutch government is entirely in the wrong bringing-up hate related charges. Fitna advocates no hate and incites no harm. It expresses a zero-tolerance point-of-view against certain tenants of the Islamic fundamentalist religion. In a recent post-911 world, such a 'backlash' point of view is to be expected from at least one substantial 'western' voice.

The collective Cambridge/Oxford intellect of the U.K. however, ought not be suppressing this functionalist view–but debating against it in an effort to disentangle some people's natural tendency to backlash from the reality of Islamic ideals and the radical views of Muslims gone astray to the point of terrorist activities.

To many here in The Netherlands this man is not a joke, as Van de Laar here above claims. Yes, he may not be taken too seriously by all (or not at all, this too is ones fundemental democratic freedom of choice), however he does have a large and steadily growing following.
In truth, the 15 min 'film' is simply a cut and paste job, putting together different media sources and showing them one after the other. It should also be noted that most of the info shown in his film are taken from sources within the Arab world. One can agree or disagree with the man and his point of view, however last I checked, we here in the EU, still live in a democracy, where freedom of speech and tolerance is highly valued. The UK's decision to block a Dutch MP from entering the UK, based on threats made within the UK only shows one thing: the UK's dimminishing voice and backbone to be able to do and say as they please. This is a sad day in the history of freedom of speech, democracy and freedom of choice.

Geert Wilders is certainly NOT extreme. All he does is what left-wing politicians in this country refuse to do; which is get a fair and proper conversation started. We live in an absolute MESS in this country, and the mess is mainly caused by left wing parties. Does this opinion, which I am perfectly entitled to, make ME an extremist as well? I don't think so. This is a so called free world, with so called freedom of speech and democracy. I dare to call it an act of hypocrism. Give the problem a name, dare to discuss it. Strive for solutions, stop ignoring problems as it leads us nowhere. All that can be done in a transparent manner, with mutual respect, open minded and with an optimistic attitude. But, hey, here we go again, our left wing friends act as speed bumps.

Although I do not support Mr. Wilders ideas, I think he should have the right to express his opinion in the UK. Let's not forget that he says what an increasing number of people throughout Europe are thinking. Ignoring this would be a terrible mistake. The 'normal' politicians should not let people like Wilders hijack the justified discussion of the integration of Islam in the Western civilization.

Furthermore, I think muslims in Europe should develop a thicker skin when it comes to criticism of their faith. If Wilders' movie would have been about Christian extremism he would not have been banned from the UK and there would not have been so much media attention.

Geert Wilders has an interesting point. I think it is all about the fundamental conflict between open societies versus closed societies. In an open society everything can be discussed or talked about. In a closed society there are many 'holy' things which can not be discussed. So this is a fundamental conflict. The issue is: will we choose for the values of an open society or not?

This is absolutely “DIABOLICAL”

What has happened to freedom of speech? and what has happened to grate balls of Briton society?

This guy is instigator of violence. He should not be entertained by UK Parliamentarians as UK is a multi-racial society, representing people of the different Religions and belief. I think he is really scared of the fact that Islam has been spreading in the western world like bush-fire. I prefer to call him Mr. Gutter because of the foul smell that emanates from his stinky ideas he has of a great religion. He will never be able to defame Islam or Muslims. We have never been terrorists and we will never be one. We are the savoir of men kind as we want all human beings to be protected from the hellfire and enjoy the everlasting comfort of Heaven.

Van de Laar February 12th, 2009 1612 GMT

I live in the Netherlands and this guy is a joke. You are absolutely right that the best strategy with this attention-seeker is to ignore him. He’s getting exactly what he wants right now. So that the rest of the world knows, most Netherlands find him an embarassment. Me included.

I totally agree with this poster. Wilders is an absolute idiot and I wish we could have forbidden him to come back to The Netherlands too ;)

Wherher his ideas are "extremist" or "racist" or whether he's seeking attention is not the point.
Are we to only allow popular, decent, mellow and groovy ideas as not too offend anybody or anything?
Then we're back at the dark ages of intelectualism.
F-k'em if they don't like 'em.

The Dutch situation is not comparable to the British, where the Islamic part of the people are mostly hard-working Pakistani. Over here we have mostly Maroccans and Turks that simply do not participate in Dutch society, the statistics on welfare, crime and (sexual) abuse and oppression are all in line with Wilders statements. Lately for instance, Maroccans are known to assault paramedics. As for Curacao, it's a corrupt, costly Island that has only one thing in common with the Netherlands: the people are keen on drug trafficking.

As a response to national criticism Islamists have begun to radicalize and this is also well documented.

Wilders is a joke – true, but the joke is on Dutch politics since no one seems to be able to a) stop Wilders and b) solve these evident problems concerning the Muslims in the Netherlands -and Curacao for that matter.

Wilders' main goal is to provoke and divide. He is being given way to much attention for his point of view, which is mainly anti-everything. He doesn't provide any solution to the problems he addresses. Freedom of speech is supposed to be for him and his views only: 3 weeks ago he and his political party tried to prevent the entrance into Holland of the American islam-preacher Khalid Yasin, using the same qualifications as the British government does now.
Comparing the current British government with the pre-WW2 Neville Chamberlain hasn't helped him today.

Has anyone writing here actually watched the Film? I have – It is extreme and it is selective but it is saying what has been said by militant Islam and the Holy Book. It addresses many of the fears that exist in the minds of people in the West. Islam itself – it appears to me – does not fight hard enough the evil preached by it's extremists – and I believe more people are sympathetic to Jihad than the Western Governments will admit to – at least there are many who are neutral to the Jihad mentality. There must be studies done that can show facts – put actual numbers to the issue.
I belive these studies exist but the Governments of the West discourage publishing – for fear of confuntation and violence – but by not confronting the reality – you just dealy and probabaly make worse the inevitable clash. It's fairly basic human behavioural patterns.

The British government has done great harm to freedom of speech. I am extremely disappointed in their decision not to allow Geert Wilders into a country that boost "Democracy"

Wilders was denied access to the UK for security reasons. Wilders' film has been widely available on the Internet. In this film, he claims to explain Islam by illustrating violent verses mixed with violent images. He concludes by telling us that the west is under threat. In recent interviews he stated that Islam equals Nazism and compared the Qu'ran with Mein Kampf. In December he said that moderate muslims don't exist.

To invite someone who only wants attention, who does not contribute by any means to a healthy debate, who seeks confrontation through insult and discrimination, is a risk indeed. The populist Wilders only attracts people who are frustrated to support his view that muslims are the root cause of trouble in the Netherlands and should be treated as second class citizens.

Of course Britain does not want another preacher of hate.

Now you see the sour fruits of political-correctness.
Funny to only see people here who are outspokenly negative towards Geert Wilders.
The real fact of the matter is that this MP is already quite popular with the Dutch electorate, and getter more and more popular.

I, agree 100% with Wilders. Britain is terrified by the huge amount of Muslims livingt there. all newspapers and especially the BBC, are all in favor of watever act the muslins do. They will sooner or later wake up to the fact that they have time bomb imbeded in their country. They seem to have forgotten the apeasment policy of Neville Chamberlain. They are doing the same mistake by appeacing the Muslims.

Wilders, as well as his political party only and exclusively contribute to aggravating problems with not only the 'islam', but also foreigners who have to find a living outside their own countries as security situations prevent them of a safe life. Wilders wants to send them home. Today he faces the real life experience of being sent back home himself. Excellent!
The debate in the House of Lords today has a better chance to become a real debate, without the imposed and forced upon views of Wilders.

Any criticism of Islam and specially of their prophet incites hatred among the muslims. You can critisise any religion on earth except Islam. The incitement is in their book and its teachings and not the person who points this out. If incitement of hatred should be banned then you judge what should be banned.

I'm glad the UK has refused Wilders entry to the Country, thereby taking a stand against extremism, be-it islamic or not. And Wilders' views are of the kind that should not be given a platform to be voiced from.

I think the British government made a strong stand today by refusing Mr Wilders. The Dutch government should do the same and realize that Wilders is an extremist like the people he wants to ban from Holland. The attention addict like he is got the same treatment as he wants for Muslims entering Holland but still is he screaming for world attention. This is what he wants. I am a Dutch person living in South African and people like him embarrass me and the Dutch people. Keep him in jail for another night, please?!

Like someone in a Dutch local newspaper said this morning. They (the British) should have allowed him to enter the UK. We (the Dutch) do really need a break from Wilders .

Britian allows an American muslim cleric in to preach hatred towards the west and death to the the UK. why hould this man not be allowed in to speak. I don't afrree with him but free peech hurts sometimes.
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Wether you want to support Wilder's views or not, fact is, that he is seen as public threat. Not because he will do people harm, but because other people might want to do harm him because of his believes... This is the point he is trying to make, extreme actions (violence) create extreme measures (views). We should condemm the violence and not the person who talks about it. I do not support Wilders but what happended today is a loss for democracy...

This is repression of free speech. How can anyone claim otherwise.

We've got our own problems with free speech here in Kansas, with the Westboro Baptist Church and Fred Phelps spouting their nonsense. Geert Wilders is a pillar of logic and reasonableness in comparison.

But we understand and embrace the concept of free speech here in America. To do otherwise (as Britain has just done) is to ignore the long term consequences and history itself. You just give radicals more power, and look foolish in the process.

I'm from Holland too, this man is a man with a mission. He want to do something about the negative impact of the islam at the Dutch culture and sociaity. The most popular name who's given to new born children in Amsterdam is Ali and Mohammed. That's a process where I'm worried about, and many of the Dutch with me, Islamic kids are terrorising our streets, beating bus drivers, grandma's and grandpa's, it's terrible. The only one who want to do someting about it is Geert! Go Geert Go, I will vote for you with the next elections.

One final point – the fear of dealing with the fears of the citizens leads the same citizens into the hands of the extreme right/ nationalists. There is such a level of distrust between the West's citizens and thier Governments – there is no place for open debate.

I saw Mr Wilders blog on CNN ,I am sure he is not harmful and he wishes to put across his points of view,I think British home Minister should have courage to debate him .I think British goverment is not right .

Last Dutch filmmaker critical of Islam ended up being riddled with bullets and decapitated

My question is how can a guy like this even get elected? I always view the Dutch as a tolerant people, but this guy is anything but that. The British government was correct disallowing him entry. Do you think an anti-Semitic person/politician should be allowed entry to show an anti-Semitic movie? It's the same thing. I just hope this guy fizzles away quickly.

By preventing Geert Wilders from entering Britain, the U.K. Government has openly declared to the world that they like many other are damn scared of violent protest from Muslims. Such cowardly approach would further strengthen the belief among the Muslims in particular and non Muslims in general that violence can achieve so much and terrorism achieves the desired sucess.

Every Muslim I observe is a terrrorist-I don't mean literally-but practically. Encourage any Muslim any where-well educated or not-to speak his or her mind and one can be convinced that they are all same. Violence is part of Islamic culture. One who is not violent is not a Muslim. Those who says that Islam does not promote violence should answer the simple question "what is common in most terrorist attacks including 9/11 ?" Answer is Islam.

What is Islam according to those who say that Islam does not prescribe violence? Is Quaran islam? Or Islam is what it is seen to be? Isn't the ritual practiced by all Muslims of slitting throat of goat and then let it bleed till death meant to brutalise everyone in the Society?
Those who are against any firm actions against Islamic terrorism are effectively worse than the terrorists themselves. They end up encouraging terrorism just to satisfy their own idealistic ego.
No normal human likes violence. But under certain circumstances stronger retaliation can be absolutely necessary like use of force for maintaining law and order. I observe that most common people who may not have lost their family members or relatives in terrorist attacks strongly disapprove of stringent actions. Very few like my self understand the pain and anguish of those who lost their near and dears.
I am convinced that as long as there is Islam there will be terrorism. Those who do not agree with me today will realise same one day in future.

The action of the British Governement shows clearly that fear is ruling in the UK. Freedom of Speech should go a long way – and the Muslim community in the Netherlands has shown that it is a lot more mature than most Muslim communities in Pakistan, Afghanistan or even the UK as they just ignored Fitna.

If we have to be afraid of what we say that may outrage Muslims in burning or killing, then we are giving in to the incredible tolerance of an even so incredible small minority of Muslim extremists.

It would be great if these extremists are being evicted from their Muslim community. I have great muslim friends who let other non muslims live and let live – the way we should be living together.

British Governement: you even help Mr. Geert Wilders.

Guido, the Hague – Holland

VERY SMART MOVE BY THE BRITISH GOV. WE DO NOT NEED ANYONE TO COME AND SPREAD HATRED,

What about when, if objectively observed, a religion does have an unusually violent and intolerant mentality?

Wilder's is right about parts of Islam, although outside of that it sounds like he is an idiot. If people within the Muslim community are upset by this label as a violent religion, then make a public stand and erradicate the extremists.

Way to cater to the lowest common denominator Paula. Don't worry about the truth, just write to sell papers or increase hits! Go journalistic ethics!

I agree with Jake: the ban is outrageous. There are people of all races who say much worse things about others than anything Wilders has ever said. There are many people critical of the Koran and other teachings as well. Is England going to ban everyone who doesn't share a prescribed set of viewpoints? Shame on England for being so stupid and cowardly and shame on this blog for its misleading information and CNN for publishing it.

Take note: YOU have the right to voice your opinion just as Wilders should have his!

"The peculiar evil of silencing the expression of an opinion is, that it is robbing the human race; posterity as well as the existing generation; those who dissent from the opinion, still more than those who hold it. If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth: if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error."
~John Stuart Mill, On Liberty, 1859

The hypocrisy of political correctness run amok . . .

It's interesting how extremist Islamic leaders are allowed to have their hate-mongering rhetoric broadcast across media outlets in the western world, and still be allowed into the United States. As a 'for instance' – Iran's Ahmadinejad, a leader who has publicly denied the Holocaust and called for the destruction of the state of Israel – and yet he was given the prestigious forum of the United Nations from which to espouse his beliefs.

Yet any challenge to these extremist views or anything tied to Islamic beliefs is automatically branded as 'inciting hatred' , at a time when dialogue on the sociological, political, and psychological impacts of the expansion of Islam is badly needed.

How is that the Iranian President is allowed to assert from the same forum that "the rights and dignity of the American people are being sacrificed for the selfish desires of those holding power", and yet any western politician is not allowed to voice the same assertion against leaders in Muslim countries without, again, being accused of inciting hatred.

But at least the United States, unlike the UK's action against Mr. Wilders, did not quash Mr. Ahmadinejad's right to express his beliefs in a free and public forum.

If Mr. Wilders is guilty of anything, (and there is nothing in his film that is untrue) it is poking a metaphorical stick into the complacent sides of the same types of political 'lemmings' who ignored Churchill's warnings of Nazi Germany's extremism, and the swelling red tide of corrupted Communism.

The guilt also extends to the fact that he is publicly stating what many people are privately feeling but too afraid to speak out about lest they be condemned by the extremist elements in Islam as the next Salman Rushdie.

And when the original words of the Prophet Muhammad are perverted to try and justify actions such as the 9/11 attacks, then any attempt to silence freedom of speech in a public dialogue on such actions or issues is no less perverse.

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I disagree with a lot of points of view of Wilders, but I complety disagree with Van de Laar (February 12th, 2009 1612 GMT). Most of the people in NL condemn the fact that the supreme court decided that he should be indicted. And most of the people in NL think that he should have past the UK border.

It is not the fault of Mr. Wilders that this got this huge media coverage. It is completely due to the way how UK handled this situation and the questionable way of selecting who can and who can't get into the country..

Sorry. Of course "past" should be "passed".

Wilders "respect" for western culture en freedom of speech is seen at its best in his expressed wish that the Quran should be forbidden in the Netherlands and burned. He is destructive, unfortunately a consummate attention seeker and to me and most Dutch people it is incomprehensible and sad that people still fall for his games.

It is true that various media have shown Muslims who called non-believers bad names. I agree that that is disturbing. It would however be a little rash to conclude that therefore a majority of Muslims think this. In the Netherlands there is no sign that this is the case, except for a small group of troublemakers which also upsets the exogenous population, and which makes things look worse than they are.

The point is that Mr Wilders has been quite blunt in his accusations against an entire religion. Tell me, if there is a group of extremist Christians who claim that people who work at abortion clinics have no right to live, because only God decides over life or death, is that a reason to think that all Christians think this, and that they act accordingly? Is that a reason to call the bible a fascist book, as he did with the Koran?

That is what is he going to be tried for in the Netherlands shortly. I agree with what I read in British newspapers which said that Wilders has not quite been a very good role-model for people who advocate the right to free speech, as he is quite averse to people who have opposite views to his.

@ Rolf Leue
Surely if one does not believe in Islam, one would be an unbeliever to Muslim and the same goes to other religions you can not call a Jew a Christiane believer. But surely an unbeliever is not a heathen as you put it.

Well I am Dutchman too. Some comments above are purposely false. He' s not against all foreigners (he is in fact married to one (Hungarian woman)) ,only to those whom can't handle democratic values in our society. He is predominantly fighting islam, specifically fundamentalist political islam. He is not againts muslims and he doesn't want them out of our country. But what he does wants is for them to respect democratic rules and not sharia-rules. Not giving in to islamists who want all kind of exceptions to law because it might interfere with their islamic believes. When living here you should adapt and respect the set of standards and law that are common. And if they don't want that, they are very welcome to leave the country, so to speak. That is what his politics is about.

Wilders is a strong voice for those who don't want to see their country bow to the threat of violence coming from muslims who oppose in al forms against our way of living. About all other parties are afraid to talk about the problems of the multicultural society. He 's about the only one who does and many people in the country feel that he speaks out for them as they feel that their country is slowly islamizising.. Just recently a survey showed that even people who will never vote for him, share his worries & views about the problems the country is facing with the integration of migrants, especially the muslims.

The great Winston Churchill would have been dinyed entry of the United Kingdom just like Wilders, if he lived today.
Look, what he said about the Islam:

Winston Churchill On Islam

A quote from an 1899 book by Winston Churchill, "The River War", in which he describes Muslims he apparently observed during Kitchener's campaign in the Sudan

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science – the science against which it had vainly struggled – the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.

Netherlands is know in EU for its strict immigration policies yet a dutch parliamentarian wants to get in the UK without permission. How ironical!!

1. Mr Wilders' film should be made available to the public.
2. He should be allowed to attend an open debate on the issues that he raises – if that involves him being allowed into the UK, that should not be allowed to be a problem.
3. If his views are incorrect and extreme, then they should be exposed as such during the course of that debate (Mr Husain's comment above in pertinent in this respect).

Mr Wilders has gotten exactly what he wants and that is international attention for his superficial and singleminded view off the world. According to him the islam is infecting the national identity of the Netherlands and Europe. Het stands alone in his extremist view. The core values tolerance and mutual respect, for which we are known around the world, have more in common with core values of most religions including the islam. We should condemn extremist of any kind including Mr Wilders who focus on differences instead of commonalities between humans.

JRIB,

No, YOU are the one inciting nationalist hate against the Netherlands.
Just so everyone knows, a great majority of the people here, whether they might or might not agree with his movie are appalled at the kowtowing to some unknown overlords in the EU.

Watch this movie, and you would realise that there is absolutely nothing ant-Islamic in it, he has put together the facts and the reality that hit the world and the prospect of coming disaster. If anyone says the reality of Islam, they will be either Killed or have to run for their life. Where is the freedom of Speech? UK government once again came down on their knees and allowed the thugs and the intolerant, religious fanatics to dictate terms to a modern society. This is and will be remembered as a sad day and I fell I am let down by this governments approach to the whole issues. Let’s have debate and decide what the truth is rather putting to silence someone with a message. I say in my opinion he brings WARNING and everyone must be given an opportunity to listen. Long live freedom of speech in UK.

Re: "I can’t help asking myself, if the British government had just let him in the country to screen his movie, would any of us even know or care that he was here at all?"

Yes, we would, because Muslims would have rioted.

im from the netherlands to,and believe me everyone who thinks all of the netherlands has the same view as wilders is verry wrong!!,most people think wilders is just a thrill seeker and has bad hair ;) (all of the time)and thats just what he is. ignore him!

He got EXACTLY what he wanted. Smooth move UK!!

Has anybody asked the question is there any validity to what this person is showing? I've never seen the video but if it presents factual events and then one person's opinion on those factual events then what's the problem? Sounds a bit like the old elephant in the room that nobody wants to talk about...

The problem with showing both sides to every story is, the public tends to accept the negative views. There can be twice as many positive views of Islam with practicing muslims in democratic countries living just as normal as any non-muslims are, but the fact is the public will not believe that this is accurate. Most people would prefer to believe that Muslims are terrorists and extreme in thier ways. So the problem is not with this film maker, it is with the public opinions stemming from the result of governments long time lableling of Islam to terrorists and the result of the desparate lack of educating the public about what are the "real" Muslims doing in their everyday life. Once people are prepared to choose common sense over fabrication and what is the majority over the few unaccepted, then maybe expressions of free speech can be appreciated and understood. Until then, banning is more appropriate.

There are tenths of different cultures around the planet.
Are the ethics of each culture the same ? Certainly not.
But can we say that some cultures have more "values" than others ??
With my European vision, I say "yes".
But I have to accept that people from other cultures can have a different opinion.
With my European vision, many Islamic punishments are from the middle-age: cutting hands of robbers, lapidating women which have sexual relation out of mariage, accepting a mariage between a 8 years old girl and a man of 45 years old, and many many others facts.
As the Islamic culture enters in confrontation with our culture in the European and American countries (and other places where Judeo-Christianism has a majority), it is normal that "WE" should clearly indicate that the "Islamic punishments and other attitudes" , are not welcome in our countries.
This means that we should ask these muslims to accept NOT TO APPLY their rules, even if the Coran tells them to do so.
For thousands of examples, and a very deep analysis of the political attitude Europeans have in this matter, please read the book "Why I am not a Muslim"... written by a Muslim: Ibn Warraq. It can be easily found on Google.

Exercise of free speech is relatively enjoyed. In most free European countries you go to jail for questioning the HOLOCAUST in any way. What is a good curb on HOLOCAUST speech should be enjoyed by Muslims too.

The Wilders issue has been an immensely controversial one around the world, especially here in Pakistan. Essentially, what we need to realize is that there's an extremely thin line between freedom of speech and inciting religious hatred.I am pro-freedom of speech, but this freedom, like all others, has to be exercised with great responsibility. With respect to the Wilders controversy, here's the thing. The man should have presented his views in a more "courteous" manner. There is a thing called as decorum of the society. If he is against Islam, then so what? There is no problem in that. The core problem is the way he is promoting his views – in an aggressive manner. You can't just deny people from holding a particular set of views; but those views have to be expressed with certain caution – by not using extremely strong words to incite religious hatred. By actually literally abusing the religion, Wilders is actually encouraging and sort of giving legitimacy to the belief that the West is against Islam. Although I'm not saying that that is the case, he is helping to promote the extremism problem, not helping to curb it. For that very reason i.e. to prevent any threat to the British society, he was banned from entering the UK, and that is primarily what David Miliband said in an interview with the BBC. Compare Geert Wilders to Thomas Macaulay (19th century British politician) when he said that the shelf of a good, European library was worth more than the entire literature of India and Arabia. That was totally uncalled for but that happened in the 19th century. This is the 21st century and it's happening right here and right now.

There's an old English saying that describes this bloke. PRAT.

Everyone sensible here. The government, the BBC- who takes these decisions and in light of what? Fitna collects a lot of Jihadi propoganda and presents it as mainstream Islam. If it was mainstream Islam where is it? How come Islamic countries aren't invading the west?

What happened today is a real attack to the freedom of speech! So, Geert Wilders has balls! GEERT WILDERS FOREVER!!!

I'm from the Netherlands.

Fitna only contains facts, taken from legitimate media throught out some time.

Fact, and nothing about facts.

He is NOT a racist, he only shows what Islam is about, nothing more.

Facts and nothing but facts i meant.

No Compulsion in Religion

[2:256] There shall be no compulsion in religion: the right way is now distinct from the wrong way. Anyone who denounces the devil and believes in GOD has grasped the strongest bond; one that never breaks. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient.

This is a direct quote from the Quran (Chapter 2 verse 256). Quran itself says that there is no compulsion in religion. Quran simply invites people to the path of God, BUT we make our own choices. The choices that we make determine our fate.

All major religions in the world basically have the same message of denouncing the devil and believe in God. Quran is very specific that no one shall be forced to believe (read Quran chapter10 verse 99, chapter 11 verse 28), and God Himself doesn't want to force humans to believe in Him.

Basically, Quran says that everyone is allowed to have their own choices, and thus allowed to have whatever opinions. This also means ‘freedom of speech.’

However, religious extremists around the world (not only Islam), feel that their point of view should be forced upon others. In Islam, a select minority of them have decided that their point of view (either from cultural believes or political) should be forced upon others while ignoring the original message from God through the Quran. Though they have the right to that opinions, God Himself specifically, without any ambiguity, stated that THERE IS NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION.

These ‘religious’ people are supposed to be following the teachings from God, if they are true believers, and yet it is quite clear this is not the case at all.

The distortions made by many about Islam (unfortunately, also made by those who proclaim to be Muslims), have caused many to be led a strayed.

Most of the conflicts around the world, in reality, has nothing to do with the true religion of God (Islam, Christianity, Judaism, and so forth). It is due to politics, power hunger, historical conflicts, cultural differences and mostly, ego.

If Britain wants to protect its land from violence, they should prohibit Muslims from entering their country.
If Muslims don't agree with that measure, they have their fellow Muslim Terrorists to thank for what they've done around the world.
Its incredible, Britain cares more about the opinion of Muslims than the opinion of one of their fellow European citizens.
This guy didn't write the Coran .... this guy didn't commit the terrorist acts he shows in his video .... MUSLIMS DID, and that is a fact.
Muslims are proud of their Coran, and most of them support martyrdom and terrorist acts against the "infidels" ...... Why wouln'd they like this video? I'm sure their going to love it !!!!

Regardless my personal opinion of Mr Wilders (which is not a positive one) I am really, really confused as to why he was refused entry to the UK. Firstly, he was invited by a member of the House of the Lords to show his film Fitna. I'm not entirely sure how British politics work, but an invitation by the Parliament is surely a good reason to let someone in? Second, there have been people who've had far worse opinions than Wilders welcomed to the UK. The first two that come two mind are Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, who thinks suicide bombing is A-OK (although, to be fair, he is now denied entry), and Ibrahim Mousawi, a fiercely anti-semitic Hezbollah key member.

Ofcourse the UK Home Office is free to do whatever it wants, and I really don't think Wilders would've added anything worthwhile to the muslim/immigration/integration/whatever debate that I'm sure is as rampant in the UK as it is here in The Netherlands, but I think it's pretty screweed up to deny a democratically elected MP of a fellow European country entrance to the UK.

And, since when is it up to the government to decide wether a film serves a "constructive purpose" or not?

that man which called geert is even performing homosexuality which is opposed by islam that is why he is taking thatstand againest islam

Mr Wilders has the guts and the courage to say and show what many in Europe think but are afraid to say.
Stop the islamization of Europe !

UK's refusal to Geert Wilders entry in its territory is a strong signal that UK and EU are going steeply backwards on civil rights and freedom of speech....

@ Van de Laar

Speak for yourself.

first i wanna say that i do'nt share the political view of wilders, but what he says about islam is nothing more than the truth.

i 'm just a hard working dutch joe, and i grew up in a workingclass neibourhood.
for a long time everybody in my neibourhood where living happy together, but with the comming of more mosks in this countrey the moslim (mostly the morrocans) started to aliened themselfs.
our government thried to stop this, but as it always goes in this countrey, they failed!
instead of reintegrating the moslim population they isolated them more then ever by building more mosks, giving money to people to start a shop by there own local standards, and building clubhouses for morrocan kids (only boys of course). this aliened them only more then they already where.

because of the fascist left wing climat that was hanging above my countrey (and also in the rest of europe) for so long nobody spoke out, until pim fortuyn came on the horizon and he spoke out what a lot of people where thinking for a long time and began to run for prime minister.
sadly he got shot by a left wing extremist and we'll never know how his political carrier would haved look like.

but this opend up doors for others, one of them was movie director theo van gogh, and he got shot by a moslim extremist.

but also politicians acted out, one of them is wilders and he made a film of 15 minutes called "fitna' and compared the koran with Mein Kampf, and after reading the koran myself i cant blame him, its even wourse than mein kampf. i'd never read a book that preaches so much hate to people with an outher religion or lifestyles.
and i'm sorry to say this, its maine gaol is that it must take over the world and submirge everybody to the believe of islam, nothing else.
and they are getting there, every day they get more and more grip on this world, even on the ones so mighty britian, and wilders is a good example for that.

wilders is even put to trail for saying his piece on the koran and that when a
-an iman (islamic priest) preached that al gays and non believers should be trown of a building or die a horrific death.
-moslim protesters where shouting in a protest against israel invading the gaza, hamas hamas jews should be put to the gas, and where cheering hitlers name.
-obama reached out to the moslim world, and got death threats the next day
-when 9/11 happend they where shouting whit joy in front of there mosks when they heared what happend

i think that the wilders case is just an example of what couwerds we are now a day here in europe, where afraid of a believe that doesnt even belong here. and they see wilders as a threath, while there is even a bigger threath present and that is the islam and it is time for europe to put its foot down and do somthing about it before its to late.

The film has proved to be of no concern to the moslims in the Netherlands. is was the Prime Minister who had sent his minister of Foreign affairs all around the world to tell every one that Wilders only had made the film Fitna in order to insult the muslims. At that time he had not even seen the film.
But is was not the film that was important, I strongly had the idea that this way they tried to discriminate Wilders the politician.
And Wilders is not waiting for Britain to have a platform for his ideas. Here in Holland in the poles he gets more and more seats (expected to reach 30)
But it is almost unbelievable that through a simple and stupid moslim statement in the UK a Dutch parliamentarian is denied entrance in a european country.
Am I glad I live in Holland where freedom of speach and opinion are still valued

the world does not need such person now as we need each other to respect one another faith every body want to be famous just attac k islam go and read it then you will find why islam is gift for mankind.

So you make a spectacle out of denying him his right to free speech, that gives him a beautiful stage in front of the entire world to make everyone else look like fools, and now everyone know who he is and what he stands for. What was it that you thought should be done with him? Didn't you people think he should be ignored? Fools.

Nothing is wrong with free speech. Please allow this jerk to make a fool of himself and the racist hate groups who support him! People are matured enough not to swallow bad taste and awful amateurish quality film making! It will not win Oscars even in Israel! One question though; would the same freedom of speech be granted to a film maker denying the Holocaust or the brutality of Israel! Not only in U.K,but in France,Germany and Holland itself! Enough hypocrisy please.

If a UK political party invites a politician from another EU country, it is wrong to denie this person entry.

The reason given "fear for muslim protests in UK" sounds weak. Were is democraty and freedom if you can not debate anymore?

This is a step back.

It feels like UK gouverment fears islam too much. So in a sence the UK muslims are treated now as a group to fear by their own gouverment.

Is it a problem that people (muslim or not) demonstrate, debate or discuss openly...

Problems start when people and freedom of speach are banned. This looks to me as a first step in to a very bad direction, whatever you think of mister Wilders.

A lot Wilders says is ofcourse nosence (but most within lines of democraty).... But there are more people and parties who spread nosence... Important is that within the democratic rules one can say what he/she thinks without being banned to travel.

Some weeks ago the Czech artist David Cerny was asked to give back the 300.000 euro he took for his work over Europe. In his exhibition he showed Bulgariaas a Turkish toilet. This was a serious insult to Joteva who said "It is preposterous, a disgrace," Betina Joteva, press officer for Bulgaria's permanent representation in Brussels told the euobserver Web site. "It is a humiliation for the Bulgarian nation and an offence to national dignity." The piece of work was taken away within 24 hours. We are talking about Freedom of speech I have not heard anybody especially the american media commenting on this accident why? of course it has nothing to do with Islam. It is a pity because we see and condemn what we want and leave unseen what we do not want to see. I am moslim I respect freedom of speech but I disagree with unjustice..is this democracy in the world of today? unfortunately we are far from it

I live in Holland too. I see an increasing line of Wilders-voters. Different polls told us he'd do good at the next elections. Ofcourse there are a lot of Dutch people against but also a lot are with him. In Holland the politics are far too left sided for a long time. The balance is gone.And that political balance between right and left is very important in every country. No one stands up against the TOO tolerant politics, except for Wilders. The only one who lets his right voice sound.So its not so strange people are voting on him, there's no other serious party to vote on thats right oriented instead of left.

Hey, isn't it very primitive to shoot the messenger? Very unfriendly words are spoken by radical muslims inside the UK. It is very dangerous if any opposing voice is silenced. What happened to the proud and self-confident British leadership?

Its evident in the film that, everything that is said, including the translations from the Koran are quoted out of context ; to such an extent which shows the teachings of Islam through the distorted eyes of a few extremists.

Its shocking to see to what extent Wilders to deliberately depict a few extremists views as mainstream.

On the issue of freedom of speech. Just because he was not allowed to enter the UK, doesn't mean that his right to freedom of speech was denied. To my knowledge, the movie, was shown despite Wilders absence! The question of freedom of speech is out of the question, as it was already shown, despite his absence!

i am id uk government. i think such people should not be encouraged. and we as a christian admit this fact that islam is the orld fastest growing religion.i have studied many islamic scared books and i must say that the ords mentioned in their Holy book are God 's words. i have never seen any muslim to make a film or write a book against our religion then why we are doing such cheap things.

People, mankind by nature is weak and ignorant... in such circumstances, this is a proof that we have to fight for our beliefs, but also not be an agressor of other beliefs. basically we should leave Geert alone but not pay attention to his planned intentions. i believe the film should not be publicly exposed because extremism or distortion or fake controversies only bring forth hatred and destruction. we' ve got to build, not to destroy. we' ve got to find the common grounds, this is something i am working on at the moment in my surroundings. only almighty God will judge Geert but not any of us. peace

I live in the Netherlands and @ Van de Laar, if anyone is a joke, it's you.
My condolences to Britain.
Your country has fallen for the Islam.
Threads from "Lord" Nazir Ahmed and his 10,000 muslims.
Tell me: who is the extremist?
No more freedom of speech, unless your a muslim.
Once again: my condolences.
Greeting from Holland, a muslimstate @ the Northsea

I agree with the author that it would be wiser to just let Wilders into the country. I also think Wilders is a paranoid person who has nothing of value to say about Islam.

But I think it would be wrong to make this into a strategic argument, as the author seems to do. The goal of government action cannot be to give or not give someone a platform. That would lead to the same kind of arbitrary decisions that are now made. Would it be okay to bar Wilders if there would not be a media circus and if he would not gain anything from it? No, it would still be wrong, because of the reason that the UK gives.

The reason that the UK provides is absurd. Wilders is supposedly jeopardizing "harmony". That is an utterly subjective judgment (other people might say he promoted harmony) and one that can easily be abused. See: http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/wilders_letter.pdf

Ironically, the UK government now has this power because of anty-terrorist laws – the same kind of laws that Wilders wants to implement in the Netherlands. It can bar anyone with reference to an "threat to harmony" – something that a person has not done yet to an intangible and underspecified thing.

If people do not stand up against this type of regulation, it could easily be the case that power holders will use these regulations to bar their political opponents or competitors. In fact, that is maybe what we have seen here for the first time. A very very dangerous precedent.

It's really a shame that during these very turbulent times, people/politicians are not more sensitive to insulting and inciting bad feelings, with their disrespect for other culltures and religions. The last thing the world needs now is to incite more hatred towards the West from the Muslim communities around the globe. His behavior is totally disrespectful, insensitive, irresponsible and just plain bad. This guy should be banned from any country in the world and should be confined to Holland. He is their problem.

just try making a criticle commentm on Islam, even if this quote is
from the Hoky Koran and see what hpppens. Good by Great Britian it was nice knowinyou.

I find it interesting that every time one looks at the Islamic religion and they seem to always point out the fact the Qu'ran says those who do not believe are the "unbeliever" or "heathen" or "infidel" or what have you. And this becomes some sort of red flag to say that Islam is an intolerant religion. Yet there is absolutely no logical argument to this fact, because isn't that the purpose of having a particular religion; b/c you believe it to be truth then does that not mean anyone who does not fall shall be a non-believer.. Name me any other religion that claim they are the right religion, but if you do NOT believe in it, it's still ok; you well still go to heaven?!
Christians say that if you don't accept Christ into your life you well never go to Heaven; thus if you do not accept Christ as your savior you are an "nonbeliever", Heathen, or an "infidel". Jews say they are the chosen people, and thus the rest of humanity is doomed to fail and thus are they not "nonbelievers", "Heathens", or "infidels"?
In fact you must be born into Judasim and thus Orthodox Jews will not accept a person converts from any other religion to Judiasim (obliviously there are always exception to the rule).

In fact I'd like to point at to all these people who love to quote from the Qu'ran(only what supports their argument and leave out everything else) that although yes the Qu'ran does say that he who does not believe is an "unbeliever", "Heathen" or an "infidel"; THE MAIN MESSAGE in CLEAR AND ENFORCED terms stated over and over and over again is that NO ONE except God can say who will go to Hell and who will go to Heaven; thus you do not have to be a follower of Islam to go to heaven in Islam; God says that " He who does an Atoms wieght worth of GOOD shall see it, and he who does an Atoms weight worth of Evil shall see it."
So in other words it is based upon your deeds and what you do in your life that shall determine where you end up in the afterlife. Islam is like a simply like a mans eyes; for a man who can see can easily get to his destination with easy and avoid the obstacles that may get in his way; but that does not mean a blind man cannot do the same. It just will be more difficult for him to reach that destination.

I have been a liberal my entire life and now I am starting to see that the real fascists are coming from the left.. They are trying to silence views and labeling people as extremists, ignorant, racists, uneducated, etc., throwing out these labels such as the word communist was thrown around in the 50's.

The funny thing is that if Islam ever took over, we liberals would be the first to go.

What are you talking about! This guy is under 24hr guard to protect his life because he made a film portraying islamists performing jihad which is mandate to each and every muslim to make islam supreme throughout the globe and with these pictures of the violence incited by the koran, hadith and mohammed's example he shows the relevant teachings of the koran, hadith and mohammed's teachings which the very jihadists claim to make these attacks religious. No muslim comes forward to denounce the attacks or the truth of the citings from the koran, hadith or examples of mohammed as NOT being the reason for the attacks. they scream we are sigusted and upset, then the riot,, maim and kill! Wilders wants discussions, but gets nothing but baned blamed and called a racist, proove islam is not the guiding light for the approximately 60 countries all over the globe where islam is in actual violent revolt to make islam supreme and sharia law the law of the land and eventually the globe. Sixty countries, if that's not global jihad, what is?

at last another has seen the true meaninig of islam – violence,"O you who believe, fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find harshness in you ..." – Sura 9:123 , that is what their holybook , the quran tells them, these people are violent and they will stop at nothing to eliminate the jews, the christians, and THE WEST!

As I have read the Q'ran, it is a call for world conversion to 'Islam'. Muhammad and his immediate successors acted on this, conquering the coast of the Mediterranean, and getting as far as Vienna in Europe. The intent then and now was conquest and conversion. It is bizarre that anti-Israel marches and anti Jew marches are permitted, while criticism of Islam is seen as endangering the public. If you have seen one of the marches for 'peace' you would have observed that they were exclusively directed at lies about Jews & Israel. There was ONLY a call for peace that would eliminate Israel. Seems the UK is either afraid of the Muslim population &\or agreeing with the marchers slander and eager to 'rid' itself of Jews and Israel.

One of the main responsabilities of any democracy is to protect it's civilians against crime including foreign indoctrination.

This is where the european democracies fail, and this is the entrypoint for the islamic infiltration of europe.

What was the reaction of britain when iran declared a fatwah against Rushdie? It should have ment war!!!!!! But no, britain thought it did enough by putting him in a protection-scheme, better for trade. That's what they do with Wilders now to in holland, whilst our prime-minister licks the islamic ass to keep trade going. Wilders is living like an outcast in his own country while the islamic criminals and the cynical liberals in the government laugh. Wilders should be able to walk the streets in no danger, and that he can't is prove of the failure of the dutch leadership.

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most people in the Netherlands find him an embarassment; vdLaar wrote and that is true unfortunetly but let me asure you all, most people [ let's say the other 50% ] also are ashamed of their own government, who is afraid of islamic threats like the British gov shows aswell. For centuries we [ our fathers ] have fought many wars to determine todays borders. Within these borders people of equallity lived in peace. The same food, the same language, the same believes and values and the same religion. There was harmony, aswell as on the other side of the borders in those other countries. Now, today in 2009 these borders mean shit. Like flees people jump over them back and forward to claim there own habitat, like each group of etnics raise there own flags, with there own laws and ways. We all have to put up with that in glory of the
o so pampered multi cultural society. The truth of the matter is, that this is wrong and is bouncing back right in our faces today. This poltic is creating right-wing politicians like Wilders and every European country has it's own already. It's simple, go to the zoo and open all cages and let just all these species mingle. What do you think? There is a future for a zoo like this, or will chaos lay on the horizon? Mind me, nothing i said is based on any form of rascism, cause i know the defenition of racism very well. It's all based on common sence. Someone opened up all the cages long time ago.

i think this dude from neitherland is working for Al-Qaida. it because of these people that we are living in un safe world. if this guy got some opion about islam then why don't u go to india and have a debate with Dr Zakir naik. even so many people writing against islam, God knoz Al-Qaida is working for who still islam is the fastest growing religion , because not a single teaching of islam is against humanity.
iif he ant to get a real fame he should make a movie against drugs, or aids, or valgurity, or gayism which are common problems in his country.
and these people should keep dis in their mind that if they anna play they got to pay.

To all western people,
I am from India. I cant make any comments about Islam because rules do not allow me to talk freely or openly critizie. Another sad thing we are not able to recite what is in the Quran or what Imams teaching to their people. We are silenced. Thanks to the Indian laws.

Terrorists are killing people everyday, they do not belong to any religion, but if you want to take any action against them they belong to some religion. We are failing to find those non-religious terrorists folks.

Guys be very careful. Otherwise it would be too late to decide.

Wilders was not allowed to enter Britain, as there was a fear of Muslim riots, THAT is the real problem!

We no longer have free speach in Britain, and have not for a long time now. My family and I will be making moves to live in the USA, I fear for my daughters future wellfare in Britain.

I have no problem living amongst Muslims, but they dont want to live amongst us unless we bend to their will , its a sad day for Britain.(no longer Great).

to be honest, i don't like islam either. but then again i don't like any religion. it would be legitimate for anyone to proclaim "i don't like the way religious extremism is affecting my society."

but wilders doesn't say that. he's just a hater, pure and simple - and like many like-minded dutch he won't admit he's a racist.

censorship makes prisoners of truthtellers (vanunu), but it also makes heroes of idiots (wilders). crazy people flare up, dry up and blow away all the time, if you just let them run their course.

instead, the UK govt, and a carnival of reporters and camerapeople, gave wilders exactly what he most craves. he is a negative attention junkie.

i'll admit i was secretly hoping he'd be turned away at the dutch border when he got back to schiphol.

love
s g collins
amsterdam / de baarsjes

Yes, great thinking.

Let's not be specific and condescend on an entire faith. Long live simplicity.

If all you can see is violent Muslims, how come I know so many friendly ones? It must be because I live in a 'Church of the Left Wing' that has poisoned my mind, and made me blind. I am so glad that there are right wing, Christian, Judaic, and what have you all – churches to cure me from all that, and that they are willing and able enough to cure me. Of course, they can't possibly be wrong, and they have every right to lash out against those ignorant left-wingers. Thanks very much for your objective comments. I will listen to you from now on and blame myself for trying to listen to what other people believe in.

After all, it is an undeniable truth that everybody who does not agree is a fascist., especially if they are left wing. And yes, the Netherlands have turned left wing enough to be called a communist country, with mr JPB as its secretary general, worse, the media blindly follow his left wing perspective. But before I do this, wait a moment, let's look up the word 'fascist' in a dictionary first, because I don't think I can be quite sure what fascism is – ah heck, let's call everybody a fascist, or a Roman Catholic if your name is Williamson.

Isn't it great to be able to blurt out what drips onto your tongue, and not be bothered by having to think too much about it? Simplicity is like fast food. It is easy to get, and fattens your mind.

Of course every believing Muslim reads the Quran and acts accordingly. Just like every Christian goes to church, and every non-believer believes in Darwin. I think it, so it is true without evidence. Every Muslim wants a Jihad, so I can not be sure what my opposite neighbour is going to use that spade for, his flower garden or to bash my head in with. Ah no! He is going to build another mosque! Stop him! Stop him!

All people aren't equal, but everybody is similar. Seen one Muslim, seen them all. Seen one American, seen them all. Seen one Dutchman, seen them all.

Now that I mention it: I am starting to look like my wife lately...

HERE IS THE PROOF ABOUT MUHAMMAD'S INHUMAN CHARACTER:

MUHAMMAD WAS A MASS-MURDERER:

8:67. It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war (and free
them with ransom) until he had made a great slaughter (among his enemies) in
the land. You desire the good of this world (i.e. the money of ransom for
freeing the captives), but Allâh desires (for you) the Hereafter. And Allâh
is almighty, All-Wise.

Qur’an 8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”

(Tabari IX:69) “Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us.”

(Tabari VIII:141) “The battle cry of the Companions of the Messenger of Allah that night was: ‘Kill! Kill! Kill!’

(Ishaq:489) “Do the bastards think that we are not their equal in fighting? We are men who think that there is no shame in killing.”

(Qur'an 5:33) "The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and perpetrate mischief [reject Islam or oppose its goals]
in the land, is to murder them, to hang them, to mutilate them, or banish them. Such is their disgrace. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly."

Qu'ran: Unbelievers will be tormented forever with fire. When their skin
is burned off, a fresh skin will be provided. 56

Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious
wars. 74

Believers fight for Allah; disbelievers fight for the devil. So
fight the minions of the devil. 76

Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you
find them. 89

If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you
find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. 91 ( Offering
peace in Islam means surrendering,ie, converting to islam "peacefully" after receiving the "invitation" or by force, under the threat of violence and death, or accepting dhimminitude/slave condition but ONLY for jews and chrisitans.Islam condemns to utter destruction all the other religions by all means necessary).

All 67 out of 68 wars of Muhammad were offensive. They are called qazwah (raid, ambush,
sudden attack). That is how Muhammad waged his wars. He raided,
massacred and looted civilians with no warning. The one defensive
war, 'ditch' was not fought. That is why the Islamic terrorism
'jihad' will continue until the West "offers peace(submit/convert to Islam)".
This was made clear by Bin Laden.

MUHAMMAD WAS A RUTHLESS SATANIC TOTALITARIAN WARLORD CONQUEROR:

8:39. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and
polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allâh) and the religion
(worship) will all be for Allâh Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if
they cease (worshipping others besides Allâh), then certainly, Allâh is
All-Seer of what they do.

Qur'an 48:29: "Muhammad is allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another."

MUHAMMAD WANTED TO EXTERMINATE ALL THE OTHER BELIEFS IN AN ETERNAL WAR:

21:25. And We did not send any Messenger before you (O Muhammad ) but We
inspired him (saying): Lâ ilâha illa Ana [none has the right to be
worshipped but I (Allâh)], so worship Me (Alone and none else)."

9:33. It is He Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad ) with guidance and the
religion of truth (Islâm), to make it superior over all religions even
though the Mushrikûn (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the
Oneness of Allâh) hate (it).

Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 3, Number 125: Narrated Abu Musa: A man came to
the Prophet and asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What kind of fighting is in
Allah's cause? (I ask this), for some of us fight because of being enraged
and angry and some for the sake of his pride and haughtiness." The Prophet
raised his head (as the questioner was standing) and said, "He who fights so
that Allah's Word (Islam) should be superior, then he fights in Allah's
cause."
8:39. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah(disbelief and polytheism:
i.e. worshipping others besides Allâh) and the religion (worship) will all
be for Allâh Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease
(worshipping others besides Allâh), then certainly, Allâh is All-Seer of
what they do.

Mo's alternative words:

Qur’an 9:88 “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”

Qur’an 9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Qur’an 9:111 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”

Qur’an 8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”

Ishaq:324 “Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must not have rivals.”

Qur’an 9:14 “Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them.”

Ishaq:300 “I am fighting in Allah’s service. This is piety and a good deed. In Allah’s war I do not fear as others should. For this fighting is righteous, true, and good.”

Qur’an 8:65 “O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding

Qur’an 47:4 “When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah’s Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam.”
Qur’an 48:16 “Say (Muhammad) to the wandering desert Arabs who lagged behind:‘You shall be invited to fight against a people given to war with mighty prowess. You shall fight them until they surrender and submit. If you obey, Allah will grant you a reward, but if you turn back, as you did before, He will punish you with a grievous torture.”
Qur’an 48:22 “If the unbelieving infidels fight against you, they will retreat.(Such has been) the practice (approved) of Allah in the past: no change will you find in the ways of Allah.”
Qur’an 5:94 “Believers, Allah will make a test for you in the form of a little game in which you reach out for your lances. Any who fails this test will have a grievous punishment.”
Qur’an 8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”
Qur’an 8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”
Qur’an 8:65 “O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding.”
Qur’an 8:7 “Those who accepted Islam and left their homes to fight in Allah’s Cause with their possessions and persons, and those who gave (them) asylum, aid, and shelter, those who harbored them—these are allies of one another. You are not responsible for protecting those who embraced Islam but did not leave their homes [to fight] until they do so.”[Another translation reads:]“You are only called to protect Muslims who fight.”
Qur’an 8:73 “The unbelieving infidels are allies. Unless you (Muslims) aid each other (fighting as one united block to make Allah’s religion victorious), there will be confusion and mischief. Those who accepted Islam, left their homes to fight in Allah’s Cause (al-Jihad), as well as those who give them asylum, shelter, and aid—these are (all) Believers: for them is pardon and bountiful provision (in Paradise).”
Qur’an 9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”
Qur’an 9:123 “Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you.”
Qur’an 9:14 “Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them.”
Qur’an 9:19 “Do you make the giving of drink to pilgrims, or the maintenance of the Mosque, equal to those who fight in the Cause of Allah? They are not comparable in the sight of Allah. Those who believe, and left their homes, striving with might, fighting in Allah’s Cause with their goods and their lives, have the highest rank in the sight of Allah.”
Qur’an 9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”
Qur’an 9:38 “Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah’s Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place.”
Qur’an 9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Qur’an 9:88 “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”

Surah 9: Repentance

1. Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve. 3
2. Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. 5
3. Don't let idolaters tend the sanctuaries. Their works are in vain and they will be burned in the Fire. 17
4. Give tiding of a painful doom to Christians and Jews. 34
5. If you refuse to fight, Allah will afflict you with a painful doom. 39
6. Disbelievers go to hell. 49
7. Those who vex the Prophet, for them there is a painful doom. 60
8. Those who oppose Allah and His messenger will burn in the fire of hell. 63
9. Allah promises hypocrites and disbelievers the fire of hell. Allah curses them. They will have a lasting torment. 68
10. Fight the disbelievers and hypocrites. Be harsh with them. They are all going to hell anyway. 73
11. Allah will afflict disbelievers with a painful doom in this world and the Hereafter. 74
12. For disbelievers there will be a painful doom. 90
13. Don't pray for idolaters (not even for your family) after it is clear they are people of hell-fire. 113
14. Fight disbelievers who are near you, and let them see the harshness in you. 123

Would anyone answer this question:
Is making a film denying the Holocaust, or attack Jewish holy scriptures be allowed in Europe as a practice of freedom of speech!! if so,why are they punishing this priest just last week, who put the victims of Nazis at 300,000 not six millions! Why is professor Roge Garudi was in Jail in France for same ! What freedom of speech you people are bragging about! The freedom of pick and choose,or hate groups alliance with right wingers who cry wolf! I saw this silly film. First it's badly done.Second he misquoted and intentionally forged words that's sinfully against Islam to use as scare tactics to paranoid people! He Picked some nuts who supported Al Qaeda and portrayed them as typical Muslims! I am a Muslim, and i support freedom of speech.He should have expressed his thoughts with the right of others to prove his lies and misquotations of the Quran. It should be very easy to do so,believe me. I CALL ON MAINSTREAM BRITISH MUSLIMS IN U.K TO INVITE THIS VEELDERS BACK TO LONDON,SHOW HIS FILM,DEBATE HIM AND EXPOSE HIM TO THE WORLD AS A LAYER AND A CHEAT.

There are many who believe in Allah, Jesus, Adonoy, without rigid adherence to doctrine. The issue of significant difference between Islam and ALL other religions of which I have knowledge, is that the Q'ran explicitly calls for conversion or death in the present. That seems to be the position of the 'Islamists'. Veelders calls attention to that and the interpretation in many Muslim cultures that allows the abuse of women [especially female circumcision]. If the Quilliam Foundation and similar Muslim groups wishes to claim Muslim peace intent, leet them explain the thousands marching in the name of peace and in fact simply calling Israel murderers and calling for the end of Israel. Where is the Quilliam condemnation of Hamas or Hezbollah? Their idea of peace is to push Israel [the Zionist entity] into the sea. The view that Israel must cease to exist is held by a substantial number of Muslims as in the marches in the UK!!!
IMHO the Muslim countries continue to believe they SHOULD be\ARE the 'chosen', and have never accepted their retreat from Vienna and all of Europe when they FAILED when FOLLOWING the Q'ran's call for 'convert or destroy the infidel'.
It would be useful for the Quilliam people and similar believers to read some history.Also useful to see the way that the Muslim community wants the UK and the Netherlands and all countries to change, rather than that the Muslim community change to being more like the HOST community. IMHO that is consistent with the 'believer's' notion that all the world should convert.

he is not a liar neither is he a cheat, u r biased anyway so wats d use?

Pat Condell on the Wilders case: http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=NL&v=JW6PRABq4HM
Go bank to sleep Little Britain...

Has Al Shuhail never learned the difference amongst truth and slander and opinion? To have an opinion about whether abuse of women is good or bad is an opinion. Whether abuse of women is displeasing to women is verifiable and therefore truth. To 'deny' an eevent which is documented is to believe a lie, and a VERY provocative action. If in formal debate it might be a proposition for debate. As a public statement which is a lie, it is inviting trouble if there are people who want to believe a lie [and there are too many].
Prohibiting Wilder from presenting his DOCUMENTABLE views is violating free speech.
It may also recognize the large number of Muslims and supporters that would make more marches, and that there would likely be violence between his supporters and the Muslims that see his position as offensive to Mohamed.
Banning Wilder is banning free speech, of facts. It would be interesting to hear the rationale of the government.

ISLAM + QURAN = DOMINATION BY ELIMINATION, the REAL MUSLIMS are the killers and terrorists. the other muslims who say islam is peaceful are the MUSLIM WANNABES (FAKE MUSLIMS), they dont know wat islam entails, they are wasting their time with their prayers,fastin and that black spot on their head, they should join their killer zeal of all prophets and stop deceivin themselves.

PS : i can say wat i want this is not saudi arabia or the middle east where the women are dumb,the men are blind and the people dont think for themselves.

Sam , Jorge and some others; stop your hateful attitude for just a moment and think of the following with open minds : Just remember that only Islam ,amongst all major religions ,is recognizing both Christianity and Judaism! Do Jews recognize Christ! No.Do Muslims recognize Christ! Yes. not only that, but it's in the Quran which consider him as a later day savior. Why do Zionists and hate religious extremists televangiolists try to put Jews as part of western civilization and they definitely are not!! Remember that Muslims who gave them refuge and sanctuary from European prosecutions before and after the Ottoman empire! Muslims and Arabs took kindly to Jews and gave them equal rights in Andalusia for 800 years , gave them refuge and kindnes in North Africa and even Palestine after both suffered in the "Chritian" Spanish inquisition! Now you want to be part of the western civ.,bull shit! last i heard, Nazi (WESTERNERS) AND Christians too,murdered 6 millions of Jews,Gibsies and others! Christian Russian Czars at their times,what happened!! Are you jiving me! Wake up! Islam said all of us are people of the book. Why do you think Spanish Catholics remained as Catholics despite 800 years of Muslim rule! "Do not force your belief upon others" God said in the Quraan". Read your history books gentlemen.Try to pull out of your hate groups or racist Zionist baby killers affiliations!. God almighty said in The Quraan " We created you peoples and tribes to know each others,and the best of you is the nearest to God".He in the Quraan did not say the best of you are Muslims or Jews or Christians!. We are all equal to Him. Thank you for trying to understand. Now you may or may not resume your hate. !!!!!!

yeah right, another one of 'them'. we are talking about wat contemporary muslims are doing in the name of allah,muhamed,islam and the quran – killin,raping,murder,violence,intolerance u(al shuhail) r talkin about 800 yrs ago,holocuast and history. Jorge gave basis – quran verses to justify his stand which i perfectly agree with, u r a muslim (u r all d same ur name tells me enuf) and u cant backup your claims wit a single verse from the quran (tlk abt muslims who recite the quran but dont read it). AL SHUHAIL PLS DO NOT ASSOCIATE ME WITH HATRED, HATRED IS NOT OF GOD BELEIVE IN GOD (NOT ALLAH PLS, ALLAH IS A DEMON/JINN), INTERESTING HOW U MUSLIMS HAVE SO MUCH OF HATRED FOR FREEDOM OF ONESELF THAT U WANT TO TAKE OVA POWER AND ISSSUE ISLAMIC LAWS – SHARIA

PS – mad men (of course men only, d women r dumb in islam) wrote the sharia law, i ask these muslims (extremists) only one question – HOW CAN YOU PUNISH A PERSON FOR A CRIME HE/SHE COMMITED AGAINST GOD? ARE U GOD? funny enough those executing the punishment (those not caught in d act) are no better than those being punished (those caught in the act)

PPs – these muslims are stubborn they wont listen : ISLAM IS NOT THE WAY TO GOD OR HEAVEN. they really should c dis movie being discussed.

SAM,YOU LOST THE PREMISES OF ARGUMENT! YOU ARE GETTING OFFENSIVE! YOU,RE SO IGNORANT IN HISTORY YOU DON,T EVEN RECOGNIZE IT,AND IN DENIAL OF THE FACTS! GOD OR ALLAH IS ONLY A TRANSLATION OF SAME !NO USE TO RATIONALIZE A HATER! NO NEED TO EDUCATE AN AS. H..E ! GO JOIN THE BABY KILLERS IN ISRAEL! I KNOW YOU ARE ONE OF THEM!

Hi,

Wilders that is kicked out off the UK proove with his video that he is right!

The european goverments are already afread of public safety when somebady try to critizy the islam just because there are so many muslims living in the Eu already (Brussels the capital of Europe 50%, Rotterdam 50%,Amsterdam,Paris, londen en so many city`s still)

en they know this muslims gonna use violence(((( ( theo van gogh killed,politician`s that have to be on goverment security for 24 ours a day only because treathments of muslims,riots, attacks on jews and Christians...),

why is it otherwise forbidden because public safety, somebody please give a answer to that ???

also the protest mars against islam in Brussels was forbidden just for the same reason " afraid for public safety " this is just the 100% proove that muslims take the controle of the european city`s en there are reasons to critizy the islam in europe!

People wake up en take action!!!!!!!!!, i wanna hear u again in 50 years when your daughters have to wear headscarf`s en churses ar forbidden, u get deadpunishment because u are homosexual or woman loose there rights where whe fight so hard for,...

Dont come cry to me then ,because the muslims in Europe are so good u say now. hope for u , u think just the same then , i dont think so.

Belgium

wow, this has attracted a lot of comments...some pretty interesting ones too....I have to agree with Quilliam here. Why on earth not just debate this chap here, rather than elevate him to some sort of sainthood. Ludicrous really.

hey AL SHUHAIL that will not be necessary, if ur muslim brothers put down their weapons (and of course their bomb vest) there will not be any need for baby killin

PS : the attacks of ISRAEL may kill babies (WHICH CAN NOT B JUSTIFIED) but they are not goin 2 fold their arms and be wiped out by islamic extremistS (AL SHUHAIL, U DIDNT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE ATROCITIES OF UR BROTHERS IN ISLAM AGAINST THE ISRAELIS)

PPS : AL SHUHAIL pls take a cue from me and stop using words u cannot spell in ur post , it doesnt speak well of a good muslim

Sam,get a life,you don't seem to be in peace with yourself! ..in psychology, it's either your mother or father have abused your childhood! You're a bad rep. to baby killer Zionist Israelis, they might disown you to look pretty!! You're an embarrassment to mankind ! I am a liberal humanist U.S educated(MBA)! What are you! a right winger,ignorant, racist Zionist junior high drop out!! I am also a Muslim and proud of it! I wish the whole world live in peace and harmony!! Can you live with that! Oh, in your bad language "dat"! Da da..get smart man,and stop your hate. Over and out with racist mot.. fu.....!

Paula Newton needs to learn about historic Islam. She suffers from self-imposed impotence resulting from ignorance–a dangerous state of mind for any member of Western civilization.

"It is a shame that any debate about Islam that has so much relevance for so many people should become so dominated by a one-dimensional ideologue."

The same can be said of Muslim ideologues like bin Laden and his extremist cohorts around the world: One-dimensional = World Islamic Caliphate.

While many believe that the religion is not threatening we see video of people being beheaded, stoned to death, and drug through the streets after being viciously murdered. We also see women punished for being "raped", or women murdered to "honor" their family name. This man should be praised for his courage, he is exposing a truth that most main stream media choose to ignore. These insane followers do not respect any religion other than theirs, they call the western world the devil and those that don't follow their way are infidels. While Christians definitely have a different view of religion you do not see anyone in the western world killing non-believers. Many talk of the past and the wrongs done by Christians as if this can justify the actions we see today. These people fail to realize it takes two sides to engage in warfare, are we at war now?

Al Shuhail, so it's about education now, you need help!. I use shorthand to save typing and it bothers you. Hear yourself, are you a US indigene or an immigrant? please i will like to know, no offence

This man is a devil incarnate! He only wants fame... This is a publicity stunt. He is a very stupid politician who is abusing the rule of law, the basic human rights and most importantly islam

This guy wanted to ban the Quran apparently!
Quite strange, he probably doesnt have any knowledge of its religious scripture and interpreted it without proper historical context...its a pity...
It is on the whole very unfair trying to instill hatred amongst muslims or even christians or jews...everyones religious stance should be respected! Movies like this just cause more hatred and controversy about Islam and muslims, the average muslim is taught to be peace loving, however it is sad if they go againt the epaceful ideology-
All concluded, the movie should be banned especially when it can cause instability and feelings of hatred

Advice to all the misperceptions about Quran or Islam:

*Please go through the proper historical context-the verses and what they really mean and analyse those verses where there is mention of co existence of Jews and Christians

I'm thinking that mister Wilders is searching for attention so more people will vote for him. And – suprise – suprise – it's working too! Please, stop this publicity stunt(s) people!

Wilders may be right... or not, who knows? But then again, the Islam's holy book isn't the only holy book in religion that says it's okay to do horrible things because it's in the name of a God. You're telling me that God said it's okay for adults to marry children,murder girls for the 'honour' of the family and many other things...
I'ts just like people are thinking amoung the lines of this: 'Oh it's God's will, all that human rights are standing in our way of fullfilling his will, so we simply 'forget' them so we can me Him happy'
Why make something called 'human rights' as religion allows people to do that kind of things anyway? Seems pretty pointless to me..

(I'm Dutch)

There was a study done a few years ago of all the major religions in the world. As I recall, the study found that roughly 15% of the followers of every religion were fanatical nuts that believed it was just fine to kill people who disagreed with them, 15% of each religion were tolerant of the beliefs of others and believed that everyone had the right to believe as they wished and the other 70% were somewhere in between. More recently, I think sometime late last year there was a study showing only 20% of Muslims held radical/fanatic beliefs. Probably the war in Iraq accounts for the difference in the outcome of the two studies.

Wilders refers to the islamic systems as being totalitarian. This is a clear indication of his profound ignorance of the teachings of islam. Allah says in Quran that there is no compulsion in religion and that no person will bear the sins incurred by another. This man is an ignoramus.
Wilders forgot that he was brought in existence by Allah who provides him with everything in life .This sick character is now challenging the same one who created him.
In the end Allah ,the most high, will give him a just mead for his deeds.

Wilders is taking Christians and Jews and Hindus to be FOOLS.
Has not History taught him that when Omar the 2nd Caliph of Islam when he ruled over Jerusalem how the Jews and the Christians were treated. He ruled 100% as per Quran. Has he forgotten the Centuries of rule by the Muslims over Spain and India to name a few Countries? Even after 700 Years of rule the majority in India are still Hindus!!!! Is this not Democaracy as he knows it? When the Christians took back spain after 6 Centuries there was not a single Muslim to say the call of Prayer? They did not become Christians, they were slaughtered while the others were afraid to practice Islam.
I suggest everyone REad the Quran, and if any harsh statements are there read it in what context it is there and for what it is there. Further you will find that there is no law in the world that has a solution but in the QURAN. Also read the Bible and other holy books and if you have an open mind you will come to know that the Quran is the word of the Creator.Also please note the Quran states there is no compulsion in religion. Also it states if an innocent person is put to death it is as if the whole of humanity was put to death, while if a person is saved it is as if the whole of humanity was saved. Is this the BOOK HE WANTS BANNED!!!!!!!!! Understand what the Crusaders did? Understand what the whiteman did for his own people of his Faith but was BLACK. Not centuries ago but YESTERDAY.

This man tells the tru, here in Holland, the moslims are dominate our people and we can't any more say what we want and think, what we dit for the last 1000 years. I am Dutch, and i see Holland as my house, i think we have the right in our house to say and to do how we want to live, like everybody do in there own house. Ofcourse we had to respect every human, we do, but to let our house control by islamic people it is going to far. Why i can't be myself anymore and face dead if i do what muslims do not like. Can anyone tell me what muslims comes to do in our country, becourse they against everything we have in Holland?
The problem with muslims is that when they do not have words anymore they always start to fight... Yeh where talking stops, fighting starts....

Goodluck to all!

Andre

Would all the Dutch people on this board refrain from acting as if they speak for all of the Dutch. You do not. Therefore, stating that "I am from the Netherlands" as if that supplies you with any legitimacy or 'special' insight is simply dishonest and intellectually lazy.

in my view, the Netherlands has been run by a small sliver of opinion and ideology. The primary reason this minority view has been able to thrive and survive in the Netherlands is because the media and political landscape has been 'designed' to find the 'common ground' of the middle. Outlier ideas or ideology are harmlessly absorbed into the mainstream (as defined by the cultural elite) where they can't do any real harm to the establishment.

Let me provide an example. A few years back a government freelancer Mei Li Vos, established a freelancers union. She decried the fact that almost the entire Dutch economy was dominated by labour agreements agreed upon by the trifecta of unions, employers and the government. As a freelancer you would fall outside of most of these labour and pension agreements. She rightfully decried that in a time when freelance work is becoming more commonplace this did not seem fair or logical. She therefore started a new labour organization that would serve the needs of employees outside of the established union frameworks. She quickly became a relevant voice for those people. A voice she proclaimed in all of the same programs that represent the Dutch 'beltway'. Guess what happened to Mei Li Vos? The 'system' quickly absorbed her views and passion by being invited by the Labour Party to become part of the Dutch parlement. ( google the Dutch electoral system to understand how this possible). A progressive voice, silenced by a system that does not accept people that think outside of the suffocating 'middle'.

Forget about the myth that the Dutch and the Netherlands are a tolerant nation and culture. They are not. Proof of fact is the murder of Pim Fortuyn and Theo van Gogh. Pim Fortuyn was the first politician who not only understood the nefarious way in which the establishment absorbed views outside of the mainstream but he made serious (electoral) inroads in challenging this system. That outcome was intolerable to one person (an animal rights activist) and he was assassinated. The Dutch have created a system that creates the illusion of tolerance but that in reality only serves to create a system of 'others' as (perhaps) Slavoj Zizek would put it.

It is in this context that Geert Wilders needs to be understood. Geert has to be provocative in order to circumvent the 'reasonable middle' machine that exists to silence views outside of its own. I believe that this method is very effective in the Netherlands but I question if it is the right strategy abroad. Outside of his anti-Islam views. Geert has no ideological friends at CPAC. Most of them would decry him as a raving communist if they understood his Dutch center right economic policies. At the moment it is a marriage of convenience and one that inevitably will end in a nasty divorce, to continue the analogy.

Thus, whenever some guy comes onto these boards and proclaims his or her opinion and bookmarks it with "I am Dutch" or " I am from the Netherlands" please put it in the above context. As of today, Geerts party, the PVV, is leading in the political polls. If elections were held today, the PVV would become the largest party in the Netherland (https://n5.noties.nl/peil.nl/).

I write this, as someone who has studied Islam for many years. I can only give here a small portion of what Islam has taught me about itself. Read it, learn, and then go out and do your OWN homework! Don't take MY word, or anyone else's, for it – VERIFY it yourself!

You can reject out of hand anything another person tells you, but you cannot reject what you have researched for YOURSELF. That's why each and every adult in the free world must do this research independently, and in full. One by one. We won't all do it, of course. Which is why Islam WILL take over the world. I don't WANT to be able to say "I told you so" after Islam has conquered us all. I want us to face the reality in time to prevent the conquest. Most people just want to pidgeonhole people like me and Mr. Wilders, label us as bigots or "Islamophobes," and be done with us. Until, of course, the world falls to Islam. Then they'll wish they'd listened. Which will disgust me, because it was their own cowardice that made the conquest by Islam possible. Fortunately, I probably won't be here any more when it happens. It's just as well. I have no wish to see my warnings prove to be true. Not THAT way, at least. They still prefer denial to going after the truth which is so easily accessible to them. I've already GOT enough disgust at such people for one lifetime.

This article is blatant and malicious propaganda against Mr. Wilders. I have to ponder whether Ms. Newton is a Muslim, or just another ignorant fool. Does she really think this article is objective JOURNALISM? It's hugely, and transparently, biased in favor of Islam. And against democracy. Any journalist today knows Islam is a threat, but they don't dare (it's the oil, stupid) say so. This woman has taken it a BIG step further, by trying to prejudice readers against Mr. Wilders.

A circus? The man has put his own life on the line – and yet his efforts are called a circus. There is a fatwah out seeking his death. Any of the world's 2 billion Muslims would feel they had to fulfill that death-wish for Mr. Wilders, given any chance at all. And Wilders is promoting a circus?

Islam is the only faith on the planet that thinks it can put up a "WANTED: Dead only" warrant to bring about a murder. This "global religion of peace and tolerance" can choose to mark any individual it wants for death – and get their wish, too. What other religions do this? What other religions will KILL YOU if you convert away from the faith? What other religion demands that you cheat and lie to ALL unbelievers? What we refuse to see is that Muslims will use our values regarding freedom of religion in order to deprive us of our OWN. They respect nobody, yet demand respect without earning it. How can we be so stupid as to fail to see what Islam IS? Even without doing research, it's obvious. With research, the conclusions are inescapable. And gut-deep terrifying.

Read what eppy commented. He even admits he's an ignorant man, an average joe, yet HE did what YOU won't do – he READ the Quran. And drew the only possible conclusions. Tho his English isn't great, his message is true, valid and entirely fairminded. Islam IS an obscenity, and even an average joe who does his homework, can figure that out for himself. Good show, eppy. You may be an "ignorant joe," but you're sure not a stupid one! And you're no coward. I, who am an intellectual, feel humbled by your honesty, courage and directness, and I honor you.

The Quran is a two-stage book. It was written for the SOLE purpose of giving one man, Muhammad, the political power to conquer other peoples. Using religion to gain absolute obedience of his troops. He never intended it to last beyond his lifetime. He didn't give a rat's patoot what happened to Islam after he was gone. The first stage was benign, even wise (through plagiarizing other peoples' wisdom). This was necessary to gain converts while he was still militarily vulnerable. The second stage came about after he had gained tremendous military might, and a blindly obedient army. Things written into the Quran in its earliest stage are essentially moot today. The second, and later, part is the real basis of Islam, and every real Muslim, of any sect, knows that much. It is that second phase which made Islam such a sociopathic religion. But they quote from the earlier stage, when Islam had not yet become what it is today, to counter the criticisms of non-Muslims. They know the quotations are moot, but we don't. So we stupidly believe them.

Contrary to Mr. Al Shuhail's generous wisdom, Islam does NOT recognize Christianity or Judaism; it rewrote the bible instead. It is THAT which they recognize. In Islam, Moses, John the Baptist, Jesus – all were good MUSLIM prophets. I don't call that acceptance of these other religions. Nor is calling Jews apes and swine what I'd call "tolerant." Mr. Al Shuhail is merely spouting copperplate Islamic propaganda – nothing more. The reality of Islam is in Quran and Hadith – which condemn Islam, by their own words, as the bloodthirsty cult of hate that it is. It can never separate itself from that reality.

I write this, NOT out of hate or prejudice, but out of KNOWLEDGE – and grave concern for the future of mankind. Which required me to spend many days researching Islam, letting it speak entirely for itself, and giving Islam every scrap of credit for any merit I found in it. Yet it is still inescapably a religion pitted against humanity and civilization itself. It is inescapably a religion of hate, violence, atrocity and a goal of global dominance. It is not a prejudice when one has studied as I have. It is merely speaking about what I know. And what every REAL Muslim also knows, but wants to keep YOU from knowing.

I began my researches, actually, in the hope of finding verification that Islam was a peaceful and tolerant faith. I NEEDED to believe it. What I found, though, stood my hair on end. Mr. Wilders is NOT preaching hate; he's preaching homework. For each of us to do our own. Anyone who hasn't studied Islam but feels in a position to castigate those who did so – like me, or Mr. Wilders, is living in ignorance and denial. In other words, capitulating to FEAR. Or to OIL. They're not after him because he's some kind of hatemonger; they're after him because he's right, and they don't want to have to hear him SAY it.

Mr. Wilders is trying to draw our attention to a very REAL threat. He is not trying to provoke anyone into anything – except to try thinking for a change, and doing their own research on Islam. The solutions can't even be discussed officially until the threat is acknowledged. "Fitna" is Islam 101, a preview of a subject where people fear to do research. He is trying to call our attention to it, and by letting Muslims condemn themselves. Of course, it's a cut-paste film! It had to be, to connect dots nobody else wants to connect. The film is still an orderly presentation: "religious mandate," followed by "the follow-through." Every inch of it Islamic in source. And as REAL as houses.

Yet those who castigate Mr. Wilders still hold to the notion that Islam is a "great global religion of peace and tolerance." How much peace and tolerance have Muslims been bringing to the world this last few years? They've taken over whole countries. The bulk of the world's violence is done by Muslims. The "politically correct" attitude prevails (it's the oil, stupid), and Mr. Wilders is silly enough to think our lives are more important. He sees the threat that none of us want to even consider. He's trying to help us encompass this horrific reality, so we can try to stop it. But we all prefer denial, political correctness, and playing ostrich. That's because we are COWARDS. It's too terrifying to think that 2 billion Muslims have it in for us. So we hide in denial, and besides, what of the oil??

He's saying, "screw the oil! Our lives, our liberties, are worth far more." IS HE WRONG? Throughout Europe, Muslims are USING democracy in order to destroy it. What's amazing is that no one piped up years ago. Islam and democracy are like oil and water – unmixable. Islam only respects strongman rule. Democracy, to Muslims, is unmanly and loathsome, although useful at times for their own sect – but a profound offense when the "other sect" gets any rights. Afghanistan already IS an Islamic State – their Constitution made it illegal to offend Islam – bingo. How ELSE did they get religious courts? Do they exist in ANY other democracy? And Iraq – that's a Shi'ite Islamic State-in-waiting. Glomming what we'll give them of our largesse while it lasts. Then the slaughter of the Sunnis and Kurds will begin. And BUSH, from the depths of his sixth-grade mentality, handed it over to both of these nations to become worse than they were before. Thanks a pantload, Bush. He actually believed that Muslims would respond the way most other people in the free world would. They were incapable of it. This is the result of regarding Islam as "just another great world religion." It's anything BUT that. It stands entirely separate from ALL other belief systems, for its malevolence and bloodlust, alone.

Much of Europe is now afraid of its domestic Muslim population – so afraid, that they will bar free speech to Mr. Wilders to avoid the inevitable riots and slaughter. Isn't that proof that terror WORKS? Isn't that proof that Islam fully approves of terrorism? Barring Wilders was the very WORST thing anyone in the free world can possibly do. They embolden the very people they fear most. Islam is more Machiavellean than Machiavelli himself. Ends (Islam's dominance) justify all means (even genocide.)

Mr. Al Shuhail may be an MBA, may say he wants peace in the world, but what is his definition of peace? A world where Islam rules everything. He's still as much a Muslim as any ignorant slob living anywhere in Islam. Remember that the Glasgow perps had lived for years peacefully and were respected doctors, too. Until the day they decided to act, for the good of Allah. High education is no bar to the hateful malevolence Islam imposes on ALL its believers. Hate and malevolence – even sadism – are extremely popular things among us humans; Islam caters to it all. Makes it good, rather than evil. It is a "permission-giver" for people to fully indulge their worst human attributes. "Thou shalt not kill" is accepted in Islam – except when killing serves the faith – then killing can be fun! Mr. Al Shuhail doesn't bother mentioning such things, or that non-Muslims under Islamic rule were second-class citizens at best – called dhimmis, which is a hair above slaves – and were often subjected to terrible atrocities, as they are today. To him, those aren't atrocities, because they serve Allah. That makes them righteous, you see. You can't fool people, Mr. Al Shuhail. Not any more. It's getting too obvious what Islam really IS. And sorry, chum, you can't call me a right-winger, a pro-Zionist, and certainly can't lay ignorance or prejudice on MY doorstep. I'm a staunch liberal, a fierce opponent of prejudices – but also a staunch realist – and the child of a Norwegian Freethinker. I have no love of Israel, but wish it no harm, as you do. And I'm better educated than you are. So how will you diss ME? And YOU are NO liberal humanist, bud. I know one when I see one, because that is what I AM. No genuine Muslim is capable of being one. Islam is the virtual inside-out of everything that is democratic, liberal or humanist. Try again. You're no match for someone who has studied the faith you adhere to. You lie like a rug...uh, sir.

Sorry, Fred, the problem of Islam trying to take over the Netherlands is echoed in other European nations – like the U.K., which is flooded with so many Muslim immigrants that it, too, is afraid to ruffle their feathers, because they'll surely go on a slaughtering rampage if they do. How do your critiques of Holland's politics square with the same problem in the U.K.? Doesn't come out in the wash. You are merely muddying the water of a threat to all of humanity – by injecting your own local partisanship into this issue. Nor is U.K. the only other European nation that has a BIG problem with a huge influx of Muslims. They go, in droves, into any free world nation that will let them in, there to wait for jihad. They detest mingling with the infidel population; they keep very much to their own ingrown culture-in-a-culture. They're there ONLY for the purpose of serving Islam. It's an ordeal for them, just BEING there.

Why do so few people question WHY Muslims would consider living in the free world? It makes no sense at all. Except to jihad there. Or to gain a majority, so they can use the vote to turn them into Islamic States. Same result, either way, and the Europeans have been too dimwitted to see this threat for what it is. They treated Islam as though it were "just another religion." It is NOT just another religion. No other faith does the vile things that Islam does. Islam is an obscenity – and worse. It is a threat to ALL of humanity. The worst one, ever.

Nobody in the media even deigns to acknowledge the supreme courage Geert Wilders has had to have to undertake this program of informing the public about Islam. His life is on the line, and he knows he could fall victim to a jihading Muslim at almost any time. Would he continue his efforts – for fun? For a circus? Even to gain political capital, it isn't worth risking your life the way he has done. Political capital isn't worth zip if you're dead, boys and girls. The ONLY reason he can be doing this is to help our free world survive. He is heroic, yet being treated as though he were a clown.

He's a walking dead man, and he knows it, too. He already knows: they WILL get him. But he pursues his campaign of information, anyway. If that isn't courage, what IS?

He also knows the public of the free world are intellectually lazy. The information he is trying to spread about Islam comes directly from Islam itself. He's trying to do these lazy peoples' homework for them, yet they rail at him and flippantly call his presentations a "circus." But if people did THEIR homework, they'd learn that what he says is true. They don't want that. They're too scared. The public of the free world is so DEEPLY into its denial that it is now mindblown by it. They get nasty if anyone tries to draw their attention to reality. They NEED their denial; it's the only way to feel safe.

We in the free world enjoy the highest lifestyles in history. We live in great comfort. And now this upstart Wilders is telling us to find our courage, because we're in mortal danger of LOSING that comfortable lifestyle. But we're so addicted to it we actually think it should be up to someone ELSE to save us from the threat. There IS nobody who is able to do that, and we know it. So denial is the only way to avoid having to set our comfortable lives aside for a while to meet a very real and present danger. We resent the very notion of it.

It will be our undoing.

I know Mr. Wilders is.absolutely right. Because I have studied Islam since 1994. I am NOT intimidated by the horrors I learned. To capitulate to such organized evil is unthinkable, even for a liberal like me. I've DONE my own homework on Islam.

Bet you haven't. Without having to consider a SINGLE non-Islamic source, I have learned precisely how great a threat Islam is to all of humanity. Straight from the horse's mouth. Which is precisely what Mr. Wilders tried to do with his short video, "Fitna." He was trying to connect the dots for thick-headed populations who prefer denial and ignorance.

Y'know, people, what it all REALLY comes down to is quite simple. Are you willing to do your OWN homework on Islam? And are you willing to acknowledge the realities you will discover when you do? Or is the oil still more important than your own life? Or is it that you don't think your life will ever REALLY be in jeopardy? Even though it already IS. I'd call 9/11 (among many other attacks on Americans) jeopardy, wouldn't you? And nobody dares to call THAT a circus. But Muslims found it entertaining, all over the world – they were doing nipups over it. If the whole free world got up off its denial, took ALL local partisan politics entirely out of it, and then started a united and concerted effort to stop Islam's progress toward world domination in its tracks, we might still be successful. They have to rely on their propaganda to keep us in denial – just a bit longer. And as inane, as sophomoric, as blatant and transparent though this Islamic propaganda is, we still buy into it.

Because, deep down, we're too scared of what it would MEAN if the realities Mr. Wilders tells us about are REAL. We irrationally think that if we deny its existence, it can't be real. We'll learn otherwise, and Mr. Wilders wants that to happen before it's too late, rather than afterward. For which he is castigated and even denied his freedom of speech – in democracies, no less. The ones who don't deny him this right have chosen, instead, to humiliate him and turn him into a laughingstock. Nice.

Tremendous thanks are due to Jorge here, who has seen fit to dig out the quotations from the Quran and Hadith that we should all be digging out FOR OURSELVES. And he didn't even use all the quotations that he might have. It is SO GOOD to see that some people realize the importance of doing their own homework now. Keep it up, Jorge. You may notice, too, that Mr. Al Shuhail is NOT taking on Jorge's quotes. He can't. But Jorge is wrong if he thinks it'll help to do peoples' homework for them. What people learn from other people they can deny at will. They can NEVER deny what they have learned from their OWN researches. So please also encourage that, Jorge. You're a very good egg, m'dove. I shall copy the quotes and match them to my own copies of Quran and Hadith. Just to be sure. But I already know he quoted them truly, because some of them I have memorized earlier. Those match. So the others will, too. I'll just DO IT, because I'm a thorough researcher. Not because I doubt Jorge one bit.

People like mike here think that the "no compulsion in religion" phrase in Quran REALLY applies. It hasn't applied, not since the day Muhammad himself converted his first Muslim by the sword. It's been perfectly proper and even ROUTINE, in Islam ever since. Still is. Mike, a good Muslim, is trying to foist that phrase on us as though it really applied to any Muslim. It was overwritten 1400 years ago – by their own Prophet. He neglects to mention that little factoid... The Pope spoke truth, and had to apologize because Muslims killed people to hold their propaganda in place. Islam DOES convert by the sword. Still does. This dude mike knows this. But doesn't want YOU to know it.

There is no extremism in Islam. None is needed because Islam already IS that way. Nor are there any Moderate Muslims. There are wazooed Muslims who only think they are Islamic, but aren't, and then there are the REAL Muslims, most of whom are still Arabs. Not all, though. If you BOTHER to study Islam, you might even notice that it is a religion OF males, BY males and FOR males. Women are necessary beings, but irrelevant. They are "wombs on the hoof," necessary only for making babies – for MEN. Men own those babies; women just produce them. There is no reverence for human life in Islam, either, not even for its own believers, who are supposed to fight jihad and HOPE to die in it, so they can get all those virgins.

If there were a "devil," and if he could impose a religion on the world, he could hardly do much better than to pick Islam. Yet we're all supposed to believe it is tolerant and peaceful! Despite all the evidence to the contrary. Love is not imperative in Islam, either, except, of course, love of Allah.. Many Muslims DO love people in their families, but in Islam, love is a weakness, unmanly, an indulgence, entirely optional. No Muslim is required to have compassion or love for anyone at all. They are required to give to the poor, the zakat, but are NOT required to have a dot of sympathy for them. Allah is a bastardization of the Hebrew god Yaweh, who, in the earliest days, was extremely sadistic and warlike, but since then has mellowed – at least some. Allah simply takes Yaweh at his worst and embroiders further on it. Allah is not merely a "god of wrath," but of sadism. Destruction. Breaking things. Islam stands for mankind glorying in behaving at its very WORST. It should NEVER have even been considered as a legitimate religion at all. Most of us don't want to believe Islam could be that attractive to people, when it is so heinous and cruel. But our species IS vicious and cruel; we're the most successful predators that ever lived, and we've gone a step further than any other species – by preying on our OWN kind. And we do a very good job of it , too, even WITHOUT Islam. Islam merely glorifies it and legitimizes it. So it gets institutionalized and gains astonishing acceptance by sadists and predatory people everywhere. Then we are all surprised that humanity can HAVE that many people like that. We shouldn't be.

Mr. Wilders is trying to tell us that the time is running out for the free world to hold onto their democracies against a religion which, by its essential nature, is malignant, amoral and predatory, and knows precisely how to get what it wants – a religion which has been at WAR with the entire non-Islamic world for 1400 years, yet gets away with accusing the West of waging war on IT. Blame the victim. It's a transparent lie, but people have no difficulty accepting it. After all, don't we blame our own rape victims, too? We don't want to condemn people who do what we do ourselves, even if they do it to a level which is truly bestial.

Sorry, Chuck, you're wrong on one point. It takes only ONE side to make it a war. Refusing to fight those who attack you doesn't mean there is no war. It only means you don't want to fight it. It's still war, even while we prefer to deny that Islam is at war with us. Muslims deny this, of course, but the Quran doesn't. But they know we won't bother to read the Quran. And they're right.

But then, how much "democracy" do we really have, when our media perpetuates lies to keep us in denial of Islam's threat to humanity? For the oil. Is THAT a free press? One fine day, some media source will DARE to break out of the mold. I hope I live to see it.

Europe is experiencing an influx of Muslim immigrants on a huge scale. Why would ANY Muslim want to live in the blasphemous free world, where EVERYTHING in it insults Islam? Is it collective masochism? Remember Glasgow? They come, they reproduce a lot, and they sit, waiting for the call to jihad – from within. Or maybe just to gain a majority and VOTE those countries into becoming Islamic States. IS that what you want, too? Don't you realize yet that it's almost too late to stop it? THIS is what Mr. Wilders is trying to warn us about. Yet, very much to our own peril, we turn away from what he says. Because we're scared silly and refuse to accept this unspeakable reality. In effect, we're trying to "kill the messsenger." Which never has accomplished anything constructive yet.

The prime directive of Islam (in the Quran) is total and absolute global domination by Islam, and by ANY means whatever. Surely the Quran phrases quoted here ought to make THAT clear enough. That's why no Islamic State says boo about genocide in Sudan – it's for the faith; that makes it as fine as paint.

It isn't hate we need. It's fear and the courage to face it, then DEAL with the threat. The evil is Islam. The people who believe it are its first victims, but later become its perpetrators. Read the quotes from Quran put up here by other people. How can you say this is a faith of peace and tolerance? And remember that, whatever the Muslims say here is coming from people who are REQUIRED to lie to us infidels. Any kind of "debate" with people like this would be to relive Alice-at-the-Teaparty. That's why only doing our OWN research, for ourselves, can lead any of us to the realities. Muslims have "sweetened up" their Quran translations, but even that isn't enough to keep its predatory malevolence under wraps. But there are millions who THINK they are Muslims, and who REALLY believe Islam is a benign faith. They are the wazooed. The Islam they believe in is an Islam that does not EXIST. It was made up only to gain non-ARAB converts. So it's very wrong to abuse people calling themselves Muslim; some are merely ignorant victims of Islam, wazooed into converting. Tools for use in future jihading in the free world. And, when all is said and done, the REAL Muslims will have no hesitancy in killing them off, as "kufr" (false Muslims), even though they were made that way by themselves, intentionally.

Oh, BTW, fascism leans toward the right, not the left. It is communism which takes the left to its own extremes. The worst thing any of us can do is bring our own internal politics into this issue of Islam. The danger is to us all. I assure you, they'll kill right-wingers as easily as left-wingers. I am a liberal. I am supposed to stand up without fail about religious rights. But where Islam is concerned, I simply cannot do so, because it seeks to take OUR religious rights from us.

So GET BUSY. Read Quran and Hadith, cover to cover. Then you'll know. They're free downloads. Get them and encourage everyone you know to do this homework – for themselves. And what can possibly be more fair than to learn about Islam, directly from Islam itself?

Hating Muslims will do no good at all. But revulsion and disgust are thoroughly called for. People who can embrace things which are so inherently anti-civilization, anti-nature and even anti-LIFE, are people who prefer not to think at all. Or sadists. Or afraid of what other Muslims will do to them if they don't bow down to Allah. But they merit no respect from anyone.

The U.K. thinks Wilders is promoting religious intolerance. What about the British Muslims who openly yell "Death to the Queen" or America, or Rushdie, or Israel, on and on? That isn't inciting religious intolerance, it IS religious intolerance, at its vociferous worst. Yet they can rant on, while Wilders is banned. Have the people of Britain lost touch with their brains? Or is it their courage to miff the Muslims which is flagging? Surely they should have known this would be the consequence of allowing so many Muslims to immigrate? Especially because Churchill, himself, recognized the dangers of Islam, many decades ago, and minced no words about it. So the guy who speaks the truth is out, while those who blew people up in buses and subways, and who hold up placards saying that the REAL Holocaust is yet to descend on Britain, are in. Makes all kinds of sense, huh?

Islam is indeed essentially fascist, but it's actually much worse than that. It is the very antithesis of democracy, of peace, of tolerance, or of benignity. It is a warlike religion, as anyone who reads the ENTIRE Quran will learn. It doesn't just praise past "holy wars," as the Old Testament does; it mandates future ones, involving every single "believer." Muslims MUST jihad, or answer to Allah why they didn't. That's not the same thing at ALL.

If I were ever forced to convert to Islam, the very LAST thing I'd ever want is to be on Allah's GOOD side. Approval by a sadist/god is the worst thing a human can receive.

Muslims boast that the Quran is very straightforward. Now we have a Muslim here saying we are unfair because we don't take historical "context" into account. A context which did NOT exist when the Quran was written. Besides, as the supposed word of Allah, it should NEED no context to understand.

Andre here tells us how Islam has almost taken over Holland. I ache for him and his people, who are almost doomed already to become an Islamic State. When that happens, in a few years, this beautiful, productive nation will begin to resemble Zimbabwe. Muslims care little for growth and development, because people don't count – jihad does. Yet the rest of the world closes its minds and eyes to all of this. Mr. Wilders is courageous, but his efforts are actually a cry for HELP from the rest of the world. Without it, Holland will fall – and soon – to the Muslims it allowed in. Then the other European nations will fall in their turn – like dominoes.

Multiculturalism CAN work – I've experienced it personally. But it can NEVER work with Muslims. Peaceful co-existence is impossible from them. It's their way, or they'll just kill you. But they are very good – at biding their time about it. You cannot have Muslim friends, Eric. You either have a friend who is no true Muslim, or you know a Muslim, who would as gladly kill you as shake your hand, but who, for now, like those doctors in Glasgow, is merely awaiting the right time to act. I hope your friends are among the wazooed Muslims. They're not quite as dangerous. They may actually believe that there is room in Islam for moderation. Some may even balk if called to take over your country. Most won't dare.

WILL we wise up? WILL we do our OWN homework, each and every one of us? WILL we acknowledge the fact that a religious faith CAN be a genuine threat to all of humanity?

Not bloody likely.

Have YOU done your own homework?

WILL we find the fortitude to DO what must be done to stop them? There IS only one humane way to do that – total quarantine. Ship them all to Islamic States, where they can be happy. Then slam the door shut – for good. If someone has a better way to accomplish this total separation of Muslims from the rest of the world, I'd love to hear it.

Because if we don't act – and fairly soon – Islam will win.

H.B Thank you for distinguishing me with your judgment amongst numerous contributors! I am honored sir! It just shows what kind of subjective research you've been claiming ! You are denying my liberalism,humanism and you insist on generalization to target the fastest growing religion even in the West with doctors,lawyers and masses you labeled as ignorant etc..despite my moderate and reconciling stand! to you 1.5 billion or 25% of the world are bad!!
You sir made yourself a judge,jury and a prosecutor in one ! You call Yourself a researcher and somewhat a scholar , belittle my degree and accused me of things without knowing me! You sir are a living proof of ignorance driven by hate and phobia! Oh and your article is so long and boring.

Mohideen would do well to read a bit mmore history. The Caliph DID welcome the Jews and others thrown out by "Christian love". They were used, as SECOND CLASS citizens, and abused in many ways.
A much greater issue is the extent to which the Islamic nations allow, [or don't allow]much less encourage the teaching of anything other than the Q'ran. Math, Science, languages, and [Allah forbid] history.
The attempt to create a secular state with freedom of religous thought, and freedom of speech has been tried in Turkey. Currently, an Islamic party has come into power and it is increasingly an Islamic state. Secular views are NOT tolerated in an Islamic country, and have led to murders.
Some of the heinous crimes, such as burning women that dare to go without a veil, or stoning to death or cutting off parts of the anatomy are far from the religion of peace and tolerance that is claimed.
I have known some Muslims that are in the USA and somehow read the Q'ran while living secular lives. But so did the 9/11 group, and so even do the Saudis and their followers when NOT in Saudi Arabia. Hypocrisy is not confined to the west.

The British government's decision to keep Wilders out was clearly ill-advised, bordering on stupid. Wilders is a man with an opinion which makes sense in the Dutch context (even though you don't have to agree with it). It is the backlash of decades of being artificially politically (and racially) correct in a country where everything was and should be possible and tolerated.

Poor policy in Dutch history has left Maroccans and Turks often segregated in society. There was never a requirement to learn Dutch, nor to integrate (after all the Dutch are so tolerant). What were these politicians thinking? They were not doing themselves, their country, nor our former guest laborers any favors.

The bottom line of my two cents is, Wilders is a Dutch boy. See him in a Dutch context. Don't try and extrapolate his views across the world, it won't work.